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Need help with my first build!!!!

Hello there, fellow pc builders. I am building my first pc and I need help with some parts, specially with motherboard and graphics card, I would really appreciate your thoughts.
CPU: I bought a Ryzen 3 3600 from Micro Center for $165. I feel like it was a great deal since most of the retailers are out of stock and some of them aren't having any deals.
Motherboard: Micro center also has Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming ATX AM4 Mother board for $129.99 with an offer, $20 off when bundled with compatible eligible processor, which makes it $109.99 . I want your guys opinion on this motherboard. Also I heard lots of good things about MSI B450 Tomahawk and how reviewers are praising this motherboard, which is about $4 expensive than asus rog strix. However they are all sold out. Should I wait for MSI B450 Tomhawk to restock or go with Asus motherboard. And I also heard B550 motherboards are coming in 2-3 weeks, is worth waiting for those also?
NOTE: I'm planning to use this pc for at least 3 years from now on. About overclocking I might overclock in the future, since I'm still a newbie and I don't want to mess anything up. Some overclocking tips/tricks would be helpful.
RAM: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory Will DDR4-3200 be enough for 3rd gen cpu or am I gonna need higher speed memory. Links would be appreciated.
SSD: I have two in mind, Silicon Power 512GB SSD $53.99 + free shipping, SanDisk SSD PLUS 480GB $59.99 + free shipping. Lmk which one to get or if you have anything else to share please do so.
Additional storage: I'm currently using 1tb hdd, I think that's should be enough.
GPU: So, I'm having dilemma between GTX 1660 super and GTX 1660 TI. I was looking at MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER on Newegg which goes for $249.99 - $10 rebate -$10 promo code = $229.99, it is currently in stock. And alternative for that would be EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER $239.99 - $10 rebate + $3.99 shipping = $233.98. Although it's on back order, I can always wait. I would have gone for MSI 1660 supper but then I also saw MSI GeForce GTX 1660 Ti on Newegg which goes for $279.99 -$10 rebate = $269.99. However it is also on back order. Do you guys think is it worth spending $40 more bucks 1660 ti or should I settle on 1660 super?
Case: I really want to get my hands on NZXT H510 but it seems they are out of stock so currently I'm waiting for it to restock or you guys can help me out with other options too.
PSU: My pc is running on thermaltake 650 watt gold 80+ (semi modular) psu. It's been there since more than 3 years. I don't know if it would be wise to swap it out in new pc. Since it's rated gold 80+ I might just do it as Nike once said. As always I would love to hear your guys opinions.
I don't think I need anything else other than additional case fans and of course R.G.B. This is what my roughly PC part picker looks like. I feel like for about >$850.00 this should do it. I would be using this baby for browsing, schooling and light gaming (CS:GO, valorant, siegh, CoD MW). Looking forward to read all the comments.
Edit: spelling
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Upgrading from 8 year old build (i7 3770K) - Need Help!

Hello,
I've been out of the game with hardware for quite some time now thus asking for the advise. Looking for best build for the $ to replace my good old 3770K.
Long story short:
Since the beginning I've been with Intel but for this build I think I want to go team red (not only because performance wise they got better but $ also).
Budget is tight so I'm trying to squeeze most of out the buck. I don't really care much about i.e: 5 degrees Celsius difference or minor FPS improvement. Performance to $ ratio (ROI) needs to be there. But if I would have to give you the number we are looking $900 +-
Would like to reduce noise to the minimum since I'm planing to place the case on the table.
Currently using 34 inch LG monitor (3440x1440) just fyi.
Not really interested in OCing anymore and not interested much in RGB theme.
Use for this build is a mix of:
- "light" gaming i.e: csgo, gta5, witcher bf4 - nothing crazy
- work mostly email, ssh, visio, slack etc.. so nothing intense
- 1080/4K drone footage editing as a hobby(powerDirector) - I've done 4K footage editing on my current setup and I didn't really complain but thought I'll mention it.
So Far Build(as of 3/27/2020):
- CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 @ $160 (can't beat microcenter) - thoughts?
- HSF: Not sure if I should go with stock or beQuiet (Rock Slim) or Noctua (nh-u12a) so for the sake @ $65.I don't trust AIO since once I had a leak and it fried my GPU so... - Thoughts ?
- MOBO: Gigabyte B450 AORUS M @ $65 (microcenter) - I've also considered ASRock B450M PRO4 which would be $5 less than AORUS but my 8 year old rig is running on Gigabyte and I've never had issues with it. Also I don't see PCIE 4.0 to be huge at this point so I think B450 is solid - What do you think?
- MEM: Don't really care much since no OCing so i.e: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB 2400 @ 68 (newegg). Any other company you would recommend?
- STORAGE: I've heard good reviews about Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME @ $100. Don't really need 500GB since 256 is plenty but $20 difference between 256<>500 is no brainier imho thoughts?! I have spare spinning for data so we good there.
- GPU: Tough one for me - undecided. Currently running on rx 480 and had nothing but problems (drivers etc). I don't know if I should just go back to team green on this one. Perhaps 2060S or 2070S? Need to do more research if 2070s is worth it that extra $100 +-
- CASE: I want to go mATX and I have two on my mind: Corsair Crystal 280X @ $95 (non RGB) or NZXT H510 @ 70 - Anyone with one of these cases that could share your opinion? I love the isolation for the PSU and cable management.
- PSU: Another tough one for me. Estimate Wattage with this setup is at around 321W (estimated with 2060S). Primarily it needs to be as quite at possible and would like it to be modular (less cable mess). Was looking at beQuiet PSUs but again I would love to hear your opinion on this one. For the sake I've looked at EVGA SuperNOVA @ $80 ($20 rebate).
That being said rough total so far: $608‬ (without GPU)?!
Trying to see how can this be optimized and of course your opinion matters!
Constructive criticism is welcomed.
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Choosing between two 2070 SUPERS. Help!

My build: PCPartPicker Part List
Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $264.50 @ Vuugo
Motherboard MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $179.99 @ Amazon Canada
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $117.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $79.99 @ Memory Express
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $82.32 @ Vuugo
Video Card EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB XC GAMING Video Card $719.99 @ Memory Express
Case NZXT H500i ATX Mid Tower Case $139.50 @ Vuugo
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $89.99 @ Amazon Canada
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1674.27
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-09-14 19:39 EDT-0400
I'm very close to purchasing the components for my build but I'm stuck on the GPU. I currently have the EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC GAMING in my build. Took me a while to find but I found the reviews very positive and from what I've read about EVGA their customer support is better than most, so I chose it. Shortly after though I found this EVGA 2070 SUPER, the EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER BLACK GAMING. Same brand, a 2070 SUPER all the same, but it's about $50 cheaper (listed $679 on Canada Computers & Electronics). Does anybody know the difference? There's a lot going on in the titles, but all I'm seeing is one 2070 SUPER that is cheaper than the other. The extra money isn't for RGB, is it?
Could somebody provide some insight?

EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER XC GAMING on Newegg: https://www.newegg.ca/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-08g-p4-3172-kp/N82E16814487454?Item=N82E16814487454&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-CAN&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-CAN&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fca.pcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fxxrYcf%2fevga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-xc-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3172-kr&ranMID=44589&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-sylrglpShqn2jPBbuUNq_Q
EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER BLACK GAMING on Newegg: https://www.newegg.ca/evga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-08g-p4-3071-kp/N82E16814487456?Item=N82E16814487456&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-CAN&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-CAN&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fca.pcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2f88drxr%2fevga-geforce-rtx-2070-super-8-gb-black-gaming-video-card-08g-p4-3071-kr&ranMID=44589&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-3yU1VnsvX23jBF.neyznvw
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RAM I bought not recommended?

Hello All,

I been reading a lot lately about how Ryzen really is sensitive to the type of RAM you use particularly when not using "B-Die" RAM.... If that is the case can anyone review my wife's PC build particularly the RAM and tell me if I am better off getting something else? Based on the motherboards QVL its not there so i got that going against me...

ASK: Is there another White "RGB" RAM that will work better for this build? Should I take my chance and see if the one i currently have will work? Please let me know! :)

RAM: VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 16GB
Full Build: [PCPartPicker part list](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RKxBRJ) / [Price breakdown by merchant](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RKxBRJ/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bddxFT/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-37ghz-8-core-processor-yd270xbgafbox) | $279.99
**CPU Cooler** | [Corsair - H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XzDJ7P/corsair-h100i-rgb-platinum-se-63-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-cw-9060041-ww) | Purchased For $145.49
**Motherboard** | [Asus - Prime X470-Pro ATX AM4 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6hF48d/asus-prime-x470-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-prime-x470-pro) | $134.99
**Memory** | [Corsair - Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vfDJ7P/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmw16gx4m2c3200c16w) | Purchased For $147.99
**Storage** | [Western Digital - Black NVMe 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rJm323/western-digital-black-nvme-500gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-wds500g2x0c) | Purchased For $104.99
**Storage** | [Seagate - BarraCuda Pro Compute 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TDkj4D/seagate-barracuda-pro-compute-1tb-25-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000lm049) | Purchased For $64.99
**Video Card** | [Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING OC WHITE Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Cq22FT/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-8-gb-gaming-oc-white-video-card-gv-n2080gamingoc-white-8gc) | Purchased For $683.99
**Case** | [Corsair - Carbide Series 275R (White w/Tempered Glass) ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QjWfrH/corsair-carbide-series-275r-white-wtempered-glass-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011133-ww) | Purchased For $79.99
**Case Fan** | [Corsair - LL120 RGB White with Lighting Node PRO 63 CFM 120mm Fans](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ydRzK8/corsair-ll120-rgb-white-with-lighting-node-pro-63-cfm-120mm-fans-co-9050092-ww) | Purchased For $95.49
**Other**| RMi Series™ RM1000i Special Edition — 1000 Watt 80 PLUS® Gold Certified Fully Modular PSU| Purchased For $175.49
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$1913.40**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2019-02-17 18:11 EST-0500 |

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First new PC build in ~10 years...please help me not do something stupid.

Have you read the sidebar and rules? (Please do)
Yes.
What is your intended use for this build? The more details the better.
Gaming (including VR with an Oculus Rift), general computing, Plex media server.
If gaming, what kind of performance are you looking for? (Screen resolution, framerate, game settings)
Good, but not extreme - main (gaming) monitor @ 2560x1440, two other monitors at 1920x1200 each. While I like high frame rates as much as the next bloke, I'm actually more focused on preventing screen tearing (I really loathe tearing) - I'm counting on Freesync to help with that, so my frame rate is effectively capped at 90.
I'm entirely comfortable running games at less-than-ultimate settings - though I don't play anything terribly demanding (belied somewhat by playing VR games, which are inherently pretty demanding).
What is your budget (ballpark is okay)?
<$2000, hopefully <$1500
In what country are you purchasing your parts?
US
Post a draft of your potential build here (specific parts please). Consider formatting your parts list. Don't ask to be spoonfed a build (read the rules!).
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $229.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler NZXT - Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler $179.96 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Corsair - H115i RGB PLATINUM 97 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $149.99 @ Newegg Business
Motherboard MSI - X470 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard $189.67 @ Amazon
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $114.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung - 970 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $167.99 @ Amazon
Storage Western Digital - Blue 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $125.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS Black Edition OC+ Video Card $219.99 @ Amazon
Case be quiet! - Dark Base 700 ATX Mid Tower Case $169.99 @ SuperBiiz
Case Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass (Black/White) ATX Mid Tower Case $122.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - Enthusiast 850 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $99.99 @ Newegg Business
Monitor Asus - MG279Q 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor $525.59 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $2183.94
Mail-in rebates -$10.00
Total $2173.94
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-17 17:37 EST-0500
Provide any additional details you wish below.
Possibly add to the list the Phanteks PWM Fan Hub Controller (PH-PWHUB_01) (not an affiliate link) - though I admit I don't know if I actually need this.
It's been ~10 years since I've built a PC, so I'm hoping for some feedback on a couple specific questions, as well as a sanity check that I'm not doing something colossally stupid.
Questions:
  1. Of the two cases listed, which would you recommend? Caveats to be aware of on either?
  2. Of the two AIO coolers listed, which would you recommend? The NZXT is well-reviewed (and I like the look, fwiw), but I've read a few horror stories about the control software.
  3. Are there other parts I'm missing that I'll need to make everything work correctly? I've got SATA cables lying around, but I don't have any power connectors beyond what shipped with the PSU. Do I want additional fans? (Also ignoring thermal paste; it's on the shopping list but I forgot to add it to the pcpartpicker list before copying)
And some notes on the list:
The PSU and GPU are fixed; I already own them and don't want to replace either - one of the reasons for this build, in fact, is to replace the creaky old system that's barely effective as life support for the GPU with something a bit more grunty.
The CPU isn't entirely fixed, but I'd need some convincing to change my mind. For reasons that have nothing to do with performance (and are not at all pertinent here), I am averse to buying Intel.
I don't think anything I do will benefit from the high core count of a Threadripper...and I've not found myself CPU-bound by anything except some SQL Server loads, so I'm reasonably certain I'll be fine pushing the 2700 up rather than buying the 2700x.
I will probably make something of a desultory overclocking effort - basically, see what I can achieve without doing anything more involved than maybe adding an additional fan or two.
Anyway - thanks in advance for any input.
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[Build Help] Close to buying parts but need advice

Build Ready:

Have you read the sidebar and rules? (Please do)
Mmhm.
What is your intended use for this build? The more details the better.
Ultra/High 60fps gaming
If gaming, what kind of performance are you looking for? (Screen resolution, framerate, game settings)
1920x1080, 60fps, ultra/high
What is your budget (ballpark is okay)?
£650-ish
In what country are you purchasing your parts?
UK.
Post a draft of your potential build here (specific parts please). Consider formatting your parts list. Don't ask to be spoonfed a build (read the rules!).
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor £194.96 @ Ebuyer
Motherboard MSI B350M GAMING PRO AM4 DDR4 PCIe M.2 USB3.1 £71.89 @ BT Shop
Memory Crucial 8gb Ddr4 2666 Mt/s Cl16 Dr X8 £37.23 @ Gameseek
Storage Plextor - M7V 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive £63.99 @ Amazon UK
Video Card Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4GB PULSE Video Card £194.97 @ Ebuyer
Case Cooler Master - N400 ATX Mid Tower Case £48.80 @ Alza
Power Supply Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply £48.36 @ Ebuyer
Prices *exclude shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £660.20
Updated by myself and not using PCPP for it because I've found parts elsewhere cheaper.
Provide any additional details you wish below.
Okay so I heard from someone that PCPP for England isn't particularly accurate so I've had a look around and found cheaper parts in different places, but think there's some merit to PCPP in the compatibility checker, however a couple of these don't show up on there so could do with someone to just check it all for me.
The only thing I didn't change from the PCPP list is the power supply; not sure what to get instead of it because people are saying that it's not a good one, despite all the positive reviews?
NOTE: You do not have to follow this format, but please be sure to answer these questions. Please do not ask to simply be given a build. You are welcome to delete this section.
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[First PC build] Few questions and what's the best bang for the buck 2TB HDD?

Build Help/Ready:

Have you read the sidebar and rules? (Please do)
Yes.
What is your intended use for this build? The more details the better.
Mostly gaming, games like Rise of the Tomb Raider, The Witcher 3, GTA V, Fallout 4, Assassin's Creed: Syndicate, HITMAN, Battlefield 4/1 and future AAA games. Maybe some Photoshop/3D modeling in the future, nothing too heavy.
If gaming, what kind of performance are you looking for? (Screen resolution, FPS, game settings)
1080p/60hz (Might upgrade to 1440p) at Ultra 60fps for atleast 3-4 years before lowering my settings, for 1080p for the moment.
What is your budget (ballpark is okay)?
1700$ CAN / $1250 USD
In what country are you purchasing your parts?
Canada
Post a draft of your potential build here (specific parts please). Consider formatting your parts list. Don't ask to be spoonfed a build (read the rules!).
Complete build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor $309.99 @ NCIX
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler $79.99 @ NCIX
Motherboard MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $189.99 @ Newegg Canada
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $109.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Sandisk Ultra II 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $109.99 @ NCIX
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card $579.99 @ NCIX
Case NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.99 @ Amazon Canada
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $104.99 @ NCIX
Other DVI-D Dual Link Cable - Amazon.ca $11.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1681.90
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-24 13:51 EDT-0400
Build with pieces that I already bought:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor Purchased For $0.00
CPU Cooler be quiet! Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler $79.99 @ NCIX
Motherboard MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $189.99 @ Newegg Canada
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $109.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Sandisk Ultra II 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $109.99 @ NCIX
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card Purchased For $0.00
Case NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.99 @ Amazon Canada
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $0.00
Other DVI-D Dual Link Cable - Amazon.ca $11.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $686.93
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-24 13:17 EDT-0400
Provide any additional details you wish below.
1) Hard Disk Drive: Like the title says, I searching for the best bang for the buck 2TB HDD. After looking around, it seems like Seagate has the most affordable 2TB drives on the market. I'm currently debating between Seagate ST2000DM001 and the newer version Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM006. From what I've read Seagate has quite the reputation of selling drives that die quickly (Seagate 3TB looking at you!). Anyways, the first one only has 3 eggs on Newegg and the second one has 4 eggs, but very few reviews on Newegg and PCPP, so i'm not sure which one between the two would be preferable. I know that all HDD's are bound to fail one day, so it's a matter of picking the better one.
2) Motherboard: The MSI Z170A Tomahawk AC has everything I need. ATX mobo, Onboard WIFI that will save me 50$ on a PCI-e card, a Red/Black/White design that will fit my build perfectly, but then again there's very few reviews and i'm kinda worried about the WIFI included. My router is just under my bedroom (where my PC will be), so there's only one wall between both of them so I don't expect any problems, but any of you have this mobo? Is WIFI good or bad?
3) CPU Cooler: After reading a couple of reviews, it seems like the be quiet! Dark Rock 3 is a pain in the ass to install and it's obviously quite expensive. Knowing that I want to overclock my CPU to 4.2/4.4ghz without surpassing 75 C, is there any cheaper CPU cooler that will do the same/a similar job? I don't want to worry about any leaks and what not, so liquid cooling is out of the question.
Thanks in advance! I've already purchased my CPU/GPU/PSU, i'm still questioning other parts of my build before buying the rest.
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Recommendations for a gaming motherboard

I'm building my first PC but I'm having some trouble picking out a good MOBO. I've had my eyes on this asus one but I'm having second thoughts as there seems to be an overwhelming amount of 1 star reviews. So does anyone know of any good (preferably black/red) alternatives?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor $442.75 @ Vuugo
CPU Cooler Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler $59.99 @ NCIX
Motherboard Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $194.99 @ Newegg Canada
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $109.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $127.50 @ Vuugo
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card $839.99 @ NCIX
Case NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.25 @ Vuugo
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $109.99 @ NCIX
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $114.98 @ DirectCanada
Monitor Dell S2716DG 27.0" 144Hz Monitor $849.99 @ Newegg Canada
Keyboard Corsair K70 RAPIDFIRE Wired Gaming Keyboard $138.98 @ DirectCanada
Speakers Cyber Acoustics CA-3090 10W 2.1ch Speakers $37.00 @ shopRBC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $3220.39
Mail-in rebates -$10.00
Total $3210.39
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-31 22:41 EDT-0400
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How to Value a SaaS Business in 2016

This is an extremely detailed and thorough look at how we at FE International value all of the SaaS businesses that come to us to be sold. These valuation techniques and opinions are from first hand experience with helping people sell their own SaaS business. We decided that it would useful to create a guide that you could use when valuing your own SaaS business. The bulk of the guide is posted below, but if you want to read where the info is better formatted and you don't have to go to imgur to view the images then you can read the full article here.
 
Enjoy the guide and if you have any questions feel free to leave them in the comments below, I will be around answering all of them that I can!
 
How to value a SaaS business is perhaps one of the hottest and most ambiguous debates among small business entrepreneurs, investors and advisors at the moment. Stories of wildly high revenue multiples for unicorn SaaS businesses can seem at odds with the modest earnings multiples for smaller SaaS businesses, which serves to confuse the information in the marketplace. So which one is right? The answer is both, but they are entirely different investment propositions. The difference between the two situations comes down to the size and growth of the businesses in question, as we explore in depth below.
 

SDE vs. EBITDA vs. Revenue

Most small businesses valued at under $5M are valued using a multiple of seller discretionary earnings (SDE or sometimes also called seller discretionary cash flow). SDE is the profit left to the business owner once all costs of goods sold and critical (i.e. non-discretionary) operating expenses have been deducted from gross income. Crucially, any owner salary can be added back to the profit number too.
 
More easily it is described as: Revenue – CoGS – Operating Expenses + Owners Compensation
 
SDE is used for small business valuation to demonstrate the true underlying earnings power of the business. Most small businesses are owner-operated and somewhat owner-reliant and therefore have an associated owner salary and expenses. The owner is likely to pay themselves a salary for the work and pay a number of personal items through the business for tax efficiency. These are acceptable addbacks to reflect the true earnings power of the business.
 
The situation changes though as businesses grow larger. In bigger companies, there are more employees and more management personnel. Similarly, the ownership structure tends to fragment with several shareholders who typically play a less active role in the business, often hiring a general manager to oversee operations. In this situation, any owner compensation or discretionary expenses should be reflected back into the business to show its true earnings power. In this case, a new benchmark of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) is employed. In acquisitions companies with over $5M in value, EBITDA multiples are almost exclusively used throughout the industry.
 
So what does this all mean for your SaaS business? The test for SDE vs EBITDA vs Revenue is therefore:
 
 
If you answered yes to any or all of the above, your SaaS business is one for a valuation using SDE. Investors will appraise your business based on this benchmark alone and apply a multiple to arrive at the final business valuation. If you answer no, EBITDA or revenue might be more appropriate. This leads to the next question, how to decide the multiple?
 

Finding the Multiple

The multiple is one of the most important pieces of the equation and is affected by dozens of factors related to the business. Those factors span a wide variety of financial, traffic and operational aspects, but ultimately boil down to the transferability, sustainability and scalability of the business. Any operational or market factor that directly or indirectly impacts these core drivers will influence the multiple. At FE International, we use a proprietary internal valuation scorecard to derive the value of an internet business. We’ve discussed this in depth in our post on how to value an online business. Here’s a sample of the types of questions to consider - http://imgur.com/1MuSHT9
The above is short summary of the questions and factors involved in a full SaaS business valuation. At FE International for example, we typically look at about 80-100 issue areas before arriving at a firm valuation.
 

Ok… But How Much Is My SaaS Business Worth?

SaaS businesses typically fall within the 2.5x – 4.0x annual profit (SDE) range. This is quite a large range. If your business is making $100K in profit per year, that’s a valuation difference of $250K vs. $400K, which is no small sum of money. How do you know where your business is in that range? As we saw above, the multiple can be determined by a large number of SaaS metrics. In the initial assessment it is useful to filter these variables into a few that have the most influence:
 
 

Valuation Spectrum

This diagram should give you a good feel of where your business could be - http://imgur.com/3Upysu3
 
While the general valuation drivers above are a key consideration, it’s important to note that every business is unique and each SaaS business has its own merits and draw backs. As the valuation process goes deeper, more business model-specific factors come into play when determining the final multiple.
 

Which SaaS Metrics Matter Most?

Investors looking to buy a SaaS business are looking for points of strength and differentiation. To determine the points of strength and differentiation investors will often look at a few key metrics.
 

1) Churn

Churn is a significant driver of valuation because it touches upon all the key factors that impact the perceived future cash flows of a SaaS business. Its importance of this SaaS metric should not be underestimated when you consider the long-term impact on the business. Taking the below example of two companies with 5% and 20% annual churn, the corresponding revenue after 10 years is markedly different.
 
Example of Two Companies w/ Different Churn - http://imgur.com/kV7acNj
 
Provided there is a consistent flow of new customers at an acceptable cost of acquisition rate, low churn will allow recurring revenues to grow, improving the growth rate and reducing the risk of value loss over the long term. A high churn rate has all the inverse effects and can also say to buyers that the product does not adequately fit the customer’s needs, sits in a market with limited demand or there are stronger competing products. This would imply that the product requires further development at their expense.
 
How Much Churn?
 
The importance of churn is widely accepted. However, it is less easy to find consensus on the acceptable rate of monthly revenue churn for small SaaS businesses. Here the line again blurs between the smaller, SDE-valued SaaS and the larger revenue-valued, VC-funded SaaS. Bessemer Venture Partners, an investor in VC-funded SaaS businesses, says an acceptable churn rate for these is in the 5 – 7% range annually (0.42 – 0.58% monthly). This is also supported by Pacific Crest’s Private SaaS Company Survey that shows roughly 70% of surveyed large SaaS companies had annual churn in the <10% range, with 75% of those at 5% or under. Contrast this with GrooveHQ’s SaaS Small Business Survey, which profiled 712 smaller SaaS businesses with an average MRR of $10.5K and found the average monthly churn rate was 3.2% (annualized that is a 32.2% churn rate). Similarly, Open Startups sampled 12 companies with an average $18.9K MRR and found a median monthly customer churn rate of 5.4% (46% annually) and monthly revenue churn of 11.2% (75% annually).
 
So why the substantial difference? It comes down in large part to which customer segment the business is targeting. To begin with, most SaaS businesses focus on servicing the needs of small to mid-size businesses (SMB). Small businesses have lower demands and less sophisticated needs, so this is an easier point of entry than enterprise-grade software. The challenge though is that smaller customers tend to have higher churn rates. Generally speaking, SMB customers tend to alternate SaaS products more regularly because switching costs are low and are more likely to go out of business.
 
This latter point is also vital to the difference in churn between cash-rich and cash-poor SaaS businesses. The cash on hand that enterprise-level and VC-backed SaaS companies have to spend on sales and client retention personnel versus what is available to smaller, owner-operated SME-facing SaaS businesses is not comparable at all.
 
So what is an acceptable churn rate for smaller SaaS businesses?
 
We took data from a sample of the last 25 SaaS sales at [FE International](feinternational.com/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=startup&utm_campaign=home) ranging from $50,000 to $2,000,000 in sale value across a variety of niches in both B2B and B2C. We found a monthly customer churn range of 1.0% to 11.0%, with an average of 4.7% (annualized 44.1%). Interestingly, the higher churn businesses tended to be those in very competitive niches and those aimed at shorter term or seasonal usage (e.g. recruitment). Our findings map similarly to Tunguz’s observations of customer churn, which he thinks to be 3-7% for SME-focused SaaS while lower for mid-market and enterprise grade:
 
So where to end up?
 
Higher churn is almost a fact of life for smaller SaaS businesses. The focus for investors should in part be on improving the churn rate where they can (more on that below) but more fully placed on customer acquisition to replace those lost clients.
 

2) Customer Aquisition Cost (CAC) and Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV)

 
The Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) is the total marketing and sales cost to acquire one additional customer. Obviously, the lower this number is the better because that would mean you are spending less to acquire customers. However, there is no “golden” number when it comes to CAC because each SaaS business is going to be different. To make an apples to apples comparison you will need to incorporate an additional metric – Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV). The Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV) is the average amount of revenue that you earn from a customer throughout the time they are paying for your service. The higher your CLTV is the more valuable each new customer is to your business. Just like with CAC, there is no standard CLTV number. Once again, the number will vary depending on your business model, market, competition and a multitude of other factors.
 
The CLTV/CAC Ratio
 
In order to truly get the most use out of these two metrics you’ll need to compare them to each other. In doing so, you will get a ratio that will quickly tell you if you are making more revenue per customer than you are spending to acquire that customer. This allows you to measure the return on investment of your marketing efforts and determine if your growth strategy is working. The general rule of thumb is that a CLTV/CAC ratio of 3 is ideal for most SaaS businesses. This will allow for enough cushion to account for a dip in the CLTV or an increase in the CAC and still be able to generate a healthy profit margin.
 

4) MRR vs ARR

 
In small, self-funded SaaS businesses, the temptation is to sell reduced annual plans to increase top-line revenue and improve cash flow to reinvest into growth. While in many situations this is necessary, from a valuation perspective it will hold the business back. The same goes for selling lifetime plans – these are a big no-no when it comes to increasing the value of a SaaS business.
 
SaaS metrics of revenue, in order of value to a buyer - http://imgur.com/PdzbTUm
 
This is often the opposite of what an owner of a business will look to do, especially when looking for growth capital. Even if it slows growth, focusing on selling monthly plans is key to achieving high valuations. We would usually value MRR around two times higher than equivalent revenue from lifetime plans, so this can often outweigh the benefits of the short-term cash flow boost. The average SaaS business we sold in 2015 had a 4:1 ratio of MRR to ARR – this is an ideal mix to aim for to maximize valuation. Generally, these products will have annual plans priced 10-20% less than monthly plans and years of ARR churn data. SaaS products with a higher ratio of annual plans would see a lower valuation as the revenues are less predictable.
 

Other Factors to Consider When Valuing a SaaS Business

Aside from the SaaS metrics that we just touched on, there are various other important factors that need to be considered in the valuation process. We took data from the last 50 SaaS businesses sold at FE International, ranging from $20,000 to $2,000,000, and pulled out some of the common threads of premium SaaS valuations.
 

1) Customer Acquisition Channels

 
Acknowledging the higher rate of churn that smaller, SME-facing SaaS businesses experience, customer acquisition is understandably a focal point for evaluating the longevity of these businesses. If the business is losing 30-50% of its customers per year, the only option is to add a significant number of new customers each month to counteract the loss (at least in the short to medium term). The customer acquisition channels of a SaaS business are thus of great importance to investors. Buyers tend to evaluate these in terms of concentration, competition and conversion.
 
 

2) Product Lifecycle

Eventually all software needs development to keep up with customer requirements or to grow the business further. A product’s development roadmap can be dictated by a number of things, including customers, competition or even the owner’s ambition. While every SaaS business is unique in its development requirements, when the business comes to market, it’s generally best practice to have the product in a high point of its development life-cycle, in other words, not requiring a major update any time soon. This gives the new owner some runway ahead of any major development and provides some comfort that the seller hasn’t simply given up on the business and is passing over ownership at a time when the product needs care and attention. In this diagram here, it’s the equivalent of selling at point A, where the software is maturing, and point B where the software has aged too much and is in need of development to promote further sales. Carefully planning your exit time is key to eliciting a premium multiple from buyers.
 

3) Technical Knowledge

As mentioned briefly (see: general factors), the amount of owner involvement in the business and particularly the nature of the work can be a sensitive valuation factor for SaaS businesses. At first this might seem counter-intuitive to a SaaS entrepreneur. More technical input from the owner (i.e. development) suggests a sophisticated product, which implies unique IP and a high-quality product. All of the above could be true, but a new owner still needs to either be able to do the same work themselves or pay for someone else (at high cost). Factoring this into the SDE will ultimately lower the valuation. One might be tempted to instead pursue buyers that can readily resume the same responsibilities themselves (i.e. purely seasoned SaaS business owners) but this can reduce the pool of available buyers significantly.
 
To put it into context, of the last 25 SaaS sales at FE International, 65% of them sold to new owners that would describe themselves as non-technical. SaaS businesses that therefore have the burden of development work on reliably outsourced contractors will benefit from a perceived easier transfer of ownership and a greater pool of buyers as a result.
 

4) Competition

Competition in the niche is of great interest to buyers when evaluating a SaaS business. Clearly the level of competition is important to understand for any business purchase, whether an AdSense blog, an ecommerce business or lead generation website. In SaaS though it becomes of acute interest because of the generally higher number of VC-funded players in the industry and the high development costs associated with the business model. A smaller SaaS business in a highly competitive niche will tend to find itself under-funded and unable to compete with the development efforts and features of better-funded, VC-backed SaaS companies. A good example of this is 5pm, a small SaaS operating competing against huge players like Basecamp and Asana.
 

What Can You Do to Increase the Value of Your SaaS Business Before a Sale?

An exit strategy for any business is crucial before a sale. You can add hundreds of thousands of dollars of value to a business by taking the right steps before a sale. Naturally not all the valuation factors are addressable (e.g. competition in the niche) but there are a number of strategic moves you can make to increase the value of your SaaS business before a sale. Below we discuss six key topics to think about in the run up to the sale.
 

1) Reduce Churn

With churn such an important aspect of SaaS valuation, it’s a key element to try to reduce ahead of coming to market. There are many ways to reduce churn and a full exploration of these is well beyond the scope of this article, but below we’ve highlighted some of the best writing on the topic:
 
 

2) Outsource Development and Support

As touched upon in the valuation drivers above, there is both a ‘passivity premium’ and a non-technical premium that can be attached to SaaS businesses that have effectively and reliably outsourced development and customer support. Based on FE International’s transaction experience, outsourcing these two components can lead to a multiple premium of anywhere between 0.5x – 0.75x. It can also reduce the buyer’s assumed owner replacement cost which lifts the business’ earnings for multiplication and thus the valuation even higher. This double-win means that effective outsourcing is one of the greatest levers of exit value for SaaS business owners. The focus here should be on effective and proven outsourcing. A haphazard attempt to move customer support to an unproven call center in the Philippines will not be regarded favorably. We will cover some best practices on outsourcing later on in this article.
 

3) Secure Intellectual Property (IP)

It might seem obvious, but a surprising number of business owners fail to properly secure their intellectual property ahead of a sale, which can have detrimental effects on the transaction later on. Securing IP is very important for SaaS businesses, particularly for transactions of >$500K where the cash check being written starts to become significant. Ideally this should have been pursued in the early stages of the business’ development but there is no harm in retroactively applying for a trademark ahead of a business sale. You can do this through the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Trademarks tend to be easier, shorter and less expensive to apply for than patents. Securing IP doesn’t just stop at trademark filing. Any individual that was involved in writing code or developing the product should be asked to sign an IP assignment for their work. This is particularly relevant to contractors hired from freelancer marketplaces as well as any other third-party company used. This is a standard due diligence request for larger ($500K+) larger SaaS sales but is worth securing right from the outset on any sized business.
 

4) Document the Source Code

A well-documented, annotated and tested source code is a distinguishing factor of premium-valued SaaS businesses. Particularly on the upper end ($500K+), well-documented code is almost a must-have for investors that are looking to scale the business into 7-figures and beyond. It can be a deal-killing issue and is one that is readily avoidable through adequate preparation ahead of coming to market. Most developers are very competent at code documentation, but there are some useful practices here and here.
 

5) Position the Product

As we looked at above in the product lifecycle analysis, where the product is at in its development cycle when it comes to market is important to investors and influential on the exit multiple. Business owners plotting a sale should think about planning their next major upgrade 3-6 months ahead of going to market. This has a number of short and medium-term benefits. First, it brings some immediate additional earnings to the current owner, assuming a positive uptake and increase in trials for new customers. Second, it lifts the earnings figure (the SDE) which forms the basis of the sale valuation. Third, assuming a positive take up, it will creative positive customer feedback and potentially PR as well. Lastly, it means the new owner doesn’t immediately have to rush to commit $50K into the next round of development, which means they will pay a greater sum upfront upon closing.
 

6) Avoid Discounting

Tempting as it can be for some business owners, launching an unprecedented sale of annual plans to book a large amount of revenue ahead of a sale is not a wise strategy. Sellers have been known to do this to inflate the valuation ahead of a sale and to generate additional cash. Unfortunately, all buyers see through this strategy and either discount the relevant months or steer clear of the sale entirely. Unserved portions of packages sold on annual plans are often rebated to a new owner, so this is a pointless exercise. The key to a successful exit is to continue to run the business in a similar fashion in the months before and during the sale. If a sale is seasonal (e.g. Black Friday), that is an acceptable event to run a discount. If it’s outside of normal proceedings, its best to avoid discounting altogether.
 

Salability: How Attractive is Your SaaS Business?

Ahead of going to market, you’ll need to look at the salability of your SaaS business, or rather, how attractive it looks to buyers AND how attractive it is to own. This is broader than just the fundamentals discussed thus far, it comes down in large part to the operational setup. Here are some tips to help you improve operations efficiently and effectively:
 

1. Documentation

You’ll need to have detailed financials for your business in order to prepare for a sale. Accounting applications, such as QuickBooks, can be a big help, but make sure your accounting is up to date – and keep it that way as you enter the sale process. Details are key, and so is organization. Serious buyers are unlikely to sift through months of financial records and tax returns to determine whether the investment is worth it. Luckily, a good broker can assist you in this process. You should also be prepared to give prospective buyers any analytics you have for past and current ad campaigns, email data and website traffic.
 

2. Operating Procedures

Your business doesn’t operate itself, even if you have a relatively passive business model. Prospective buyers will need to know the responsibilities involved in your operation, so document all of your daily, weekly and monthly processes and procedures. This will make the transition faster and easier for both of you. Moreover, buyers may be more inclined to pay a premium for businesses with well-documented operations, so this step could easily translate to a higher profit for you. There are some useful software applications for writing standard operating procedures (SOPs) quickly like SweetProcess and some useful guidance online about writing best in class documentation.
 

3. Customer Metrics

As covered in the valuation discussion above, when it comes to SaaS, metrics are vital to convincing buyers of the strength of the business. Seasoned investors in the space will review MRR, churn, LTV, CAC, retention and your cash burn rate closely. Not sure what those first three are? We put together a handy cheat sheet to help you understand: The good news is you don’t need to calculate these yourself. The SaaS analytics industry has a number of great solutions for business owners including Baremetrics (for Stripe), ChartMogul (for Stripe, BrainTree, Recurly and PayPal) and FirstOfficer (for Stripe) to name a few. Make sure to integrate these with your merchant processor well in advance of a sale, to capture the relevant historical data before going to market. Note: ChartMogul has a useful tool for loading past data too!
 

4. Outsourcing

The prospective buyer for your business is not necessarily looking for a job, so if you’re able to reliably outsource tasks to agencies, contractors or virtual assistants, do it. Online businesses that are more passive in nature tend to sell at a higher price than those that involve more work on the owner’s part. Remember the ‘power of passivity’: it’s a potentially huge value driver for the sale of your business. Owners who can successfully remove themselves from the day-to-day of their business often find that they benefit from a higher valuation once they’re ready to sell. Virtual assistants can be very useful in this regard and we’ve discussed effective hiring and delegation here.
 

5. Powder in the Keg

If you’ve done the legwork developing a new feature and creating a marketing strategy around it, it can be worthwhile holding off on releasing before a sale. The addition of a brand new product or revenues will need 3-6 months of history to move a valuation higher (this is not unique to SaaS businesses). A smarter strategy is often to use this as leverage to gain stronger offers off the existing valuation and get a higher cash consideration upfront. This can often offset the perceived lost profit from delaying the release of the new product or upgrade.
 

Wrapping Up

You should have all of the tools needed to properly value SaaS businesses. If you have any questions about the valuation process or if you're looking to sell your SaaS business feel free to reach out. Thanks for reading and I will be answering questions below.
Originally published here
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[Build Ready] Slim Form Factor Multi-Purpose ~$3,000 Build, AIO Liquid Cooled i7-6770K CPU; ROG MAXIMUS VIII ITX; ZOTAC 980Ti AMP EXTREME! GPU; FTZ01B Case; Asus PG279​Q 1440p IPS G-Sync 165hz Monitor (Not available yet). Need to make sure it will all fit and turn on.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor $349.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler Cooler Master Seidon 120M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler $44.99 @ Newegg
Thermal Compound Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste $6.39 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $132.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung 850 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $131.49 @ OutletPC
Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $52.00
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB AMP! Extreme Video Card $679.99 @ Amazon
Case Silverstone FTZ01B Mini ITX Desktop Case $117.87 @ Newegg
Power Supply Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply $117.99 @ Directron
Optical Drive Panasonic UJ-265 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $99.97 @ Other World Computing
Operating System Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) Purchased For $80.00
Monitor Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor Purchased For $250.00
Keyboard Corsair Vengeance K70 RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard Purchased For $210.00
Mouse Razer DeathAdder Chroma Wired Optical Mouse Purchased For $60.00
Headphones Philips X2/27 Fidelio Headphones $300.00
Other V-MODA BoomPro Gaming $30.00
Other Rosewill ESD Anti-Static Wrist Strap $6.00
Other SteelSeries QcK Gaming Mouse Pad (Black) Purchased For $10.00
Other Windows 10 $0.00
Other Asus PG279Q 1140p 27" IPS 165hz (G-Sync) $800.00
Other ASUS ROG MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT LGA 1151 Intel Z170 Intel USB 3.1 USB 3.0 U.2 Mini ITX Intel Gaming Motherboard $248.99
Other StarTech SLSATAADAP Female Slimline SATA to SATA Adapter with Power $7.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $3771.65
Mail-in rebates -$35.00
Total $3736.65
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What is your intended use for this build?
Primarily gaming but a little bit of everything. TV, Movies, Music, Audio/Video editing, Programming and general multi-tasking
If gaming, what kind of performance are you looking for?
Asus PG279Q will be my primary monitor with game settings running preferably around max while maintaining at least around 60 FPS. 165+ Frames to compliment the 165hz for FPS games that need the accuracy. Asus VG248QE Is my secondary monitor that I already have from a previous build which I'll use for multi-tasking and desktop real estate as well as a backup for games that I can't run in 1440p.
What is your budget?
Around $3,000. Not against spending more but would rather spend less.
In what country are you purchasing your parts?
USA
Provide any additional details you wish below.
This is my fourth iteration of this build after starting with ITX, then going to mATX, then looked at an X99 build, and now I'm here. Portability is a huge factor with this PC, the monitors on the other hand not so much. I literally have a list of concerns so I'll just lay them out for this mostly much smarter community than I.
* PcPartPicker is obviously showing incompatibilities with the liquid cooler and the case, however, on their website it says that it allows for a depth of 83mm (as well as 13" GPU clearance but I'll get to that). This is the same as their RVZ01 case that came before this one which I've seen pictures of AIO liquid coolers installed. I think it's worth it to stick with water cooling since I'm going to be overclocking a bit so I really need to know if this can work.
* That ZOTAC is a big card. But it's got some big spec numbers behind it that I'm trying to work around so I'm really building my PC around the GPU. Case allows 13" x 5.88" clearance, GPU is 328mm (12.9134in) x 133mm (5.23622in) but it needs to be specially mounted with pieces included with the case so I'm just wondering if anyone with any knowledge or hands on with either the case or the card could chime in.
* Opinions on going with G-Sync over FreeSync? I know Intel is now on board with FreeSync which is a big deal but right now, looking at specs and benchmarks objectively, Nvidia offers better performance at a premium price. I don't think an $800 G-Sync Monitor with a $700 Nivida GPU combo is going to go obsolete anytime soon, but I don't really know if its the wisest purchase when taking certain future factors (FreeSync maybe becoming standard, possible DX12 performance gains) into account.
* Wondering if the Philips X2 headphones are better or worse than the AKG K712 headphones. From the reviews and Mad Lust Envy's guide that I've read the K712's seem to have a slightly larger sound stage with better positional ques while naturally trading off some bass but not a lot, while the X2's are just great all around and not lacking in any department while not necessarily being the best in a specific area, which sounds better for me considering I'll be using them for everything but with gaming in mind, especially as a mid-level headphone. Plus I like the way they look better but it's still all about performance so if anyone has compared them please tell me what you thought. Also I don't know if the on board audio will drive them well enough as this new SupremeFX Impact III apparently supports headphones 32-600ohms while the X2's are 30ohms. Should I look into different cans?
* Speaking of being ignorant of headphones, I really am not sure if the V-MODA BoomPro mic is going to work with those headphones. Yes or no?
* PcPartPicker says I need a "Slimline SATA to SATA power adapter" for the optical drive so I'm getting this. Is that right?
EDIT: Getting this instead. Thanks liiliilililiiiililll.
I just want to make sure everything will fit. This is really my first build on my own and I know it's going to require some careful planning to make sure all the components and wires fit so I'm just looking for all the help and input I can get on anything included in my build, even if it's a thermal paste that will run my CPU a few degrees cooler.
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My review of Samsung's ATIV S Neo [Sprint]

Since I haven't seen one yet here, I wanted to post my thoughts/review on Sprint's newest WP8 device, the Samsung ATIV S Neo. I am in no way affiliated with any tech site or review source - I just want to get the word out about this phone for those of you who may be on Sprint. I intentionally skipped the HTC 8XT because this was coming out with better specs, although with a higher price-tag.
Look & Feel: This phone looks and feels about like any other Samsung device, which is expected. No major surprises here. It feels good in the hand for being a 4.8" screen size, and feels pretty light. It's not as brick-like as some of the Lumias but seems pretty durable, although I'm not about to test my luck - I usually take very good of my phones and avoid anything that would break them.
Display: 720p resolution on a TFT screen instead of AMOLED. This is a step up from the 8XT's sub-par 480x800 resolution. Honestly, I don't see what all the fuss regarding the TFT screen is about. The screen and colors are bright and clear, and I honestly can't really tell the difference. Viewing angle is very good no matter how I'm looking at the phone - the backlight seems to help. As I mentioned before, it's got a 4.8" screen. I have no complaints with the display whatsoever. Looks nice, man.
Battery: The battery is removable on the ATIV S Neo (another plus for this WP8 device), and lasts a pretty decent amount of time. Nothing out of the ordinary for a smart phone. I don't intensively use my phone for battery draining tasks like playing games 24/7 or Netflix - those are just occasional things. If you moderately use your phone for texting, some web browsing, standard tasks, etc. you won't be let down. I was able to get a single full charge with moderate use to last me about 2 days with the battery saver on. This is what I'm used to on smart phone devices. Nothing disappointing, but nothing absolutely stellar.
OS & Other Features: Specs are pretty standard. 1gig RAM, 16GB internal storage, 1.4GHz dual-core processor. Nothing that'll blow you or most windows phones away, but I'd say those specs are about as good as any Lumia 920/x with maybe some very miniscule differences. The performance and Windows Phone operating system on the ATIV S Neo is snappy, responsive, and just works as I'd expect it to. The camera is 8MP, which for me (and most users, probably) is just fine. I don't need a 41MP camera, as I don't take pictures that often. Photo quality as far as I can tell is OK - it's decent. I don't think it holds a candle to the Lumia low-light photos that they rightfully hold the quality title, but if a decent camera is just a bonus for you on a phone, the ATIV S Neo's 8MP camera is certainly good enough. It's a lot better than the 5MP camera I had on my 3 year old Android phone before switching, so I'm happy. The App selection on Windows Phone 8 is obviously improving. I'm not a huge app junkie, but the ones I did use on Android were easily replaced on WP8. One final point I'd like to make is that the storage space is expandable via SD card slot, up to 64GB. This is great, and should be a damn standard on smart phones by now. If you gave me a 32GB internal storage device but it wasn't expandable, that, in my opinion, isn't as good as 16GB with SD capability.
Now if only it was slightly cheaper to upgrade... $200 out of pocket, with a $50 rebate in the mail. Seeing as how it's almost the same as last year's ATIV S, it could have done with a better price, but some of that blame lays on Sprint, not just Samsung. Let me know if I missed anything... I'd be glad to comment further if someone asks about something or points out something I didn't touch on.
TLDR; If you're on Sprint and want a WP8 device, this is the one to get. You won't be disappointed.
[EDIT: To the downvoters - what... it's not Lumia, so it's not worthy? Why the hell would you downvote a review of another Windows Phone device that hasn't seen a legitimate review yet? At least leave a comment or give a reason.]
[EDIT 2] Sound & Call Quality: Forgot to include this earlier. I'm no audiophile, but as far as I can tell the audio quality is good. I've asked those who I've called about the quality and they say it's pretty good, and sounds better and more clear, with less background noise than my old device. Calls are A-OK. I'm also not one of those people who blasts music on the speakers of their phone, but I tried it out just to see how well they do. Analysis - pretty good. Once again, an upgrade from my old Samsung Epic. Sure, it's probably not as awesome as the HTC's BoomSound, but I have no real complaints. Headphone quality seems pretty good too.
[EDIT 3] Added images http://imgur.com/a/8h7I8
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Recommendations for a gaming MOBO

I'm building my first PC but I'm having some trouble picking out a good MOBO. I've had my eyes on this asus one but I'm having second thoughts as there seems to be an overwhelming amount of 1 star reviews. So does anyone know of any good (preferably black/red) alternatives?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor $442.75 @ Vuugo
CPU Cooler Phanteks PH-TC12DX_BK 68.5 CFM CPU Cooler $59.99 @ NCIX
Motherboard Asus Z170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $194.99 @ Newegg Canada
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $109.99 @ Newegg Canada
Storage Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $127.50 @ Vuugo
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $89.99 @ Newegg Canada
Video Card EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card $839.99 @ NCIX
Case NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case $94.25 @ Vuugo
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $109.99 @ NCIX
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $114.98 @ DirectCanada
Monitor Dell S2716DG 27.0" 144Hz Monitor $849.99 @ Newegg Canada
Keyboard Corsair K70 RAPIDFIRE Wired Gaming Keyboard $138.98 @ DirectCanada
Speakers Cyber Acoustics CA-3090 10W 2.1ch Speakers $37.00 @ shopRBC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $3220.39
Mail-in rebates -$10.00
Total $3210.39
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-31 22:41 EDT-0400
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[Table] IAmA: I am one of the developers of a popular Chrome extension and we've been approached by malware companies that have tried to buy us. AMA!

Verified? (This bot cannot verify AMAs just yet)
Date: 2014-01-18
Link to submission (Has self-text)
Questions Answers
What are malware companies' motivations? As in, why install malware? What are they getting from buying an extension, and what will the malware do? In general terms, I mean. Replace you default new tab contents their search.
Replace existing links with affiliate links.
Add new affiliate text links all over the place that look similar to the double underline ones used by some publishers.
Replace ads across the internet.
Generate phantom traffic to websites a user never sees (similar to botnet)
Capture ALL browsing data including post data (many uses I could speculate on but wont get into here)
What do they offer an extension developer? Depends on the mix of where the users are but it easily adds up to a few cents per active user per day. Or they just buy the whole thing. Which makes you wonder how much more they are really making...
What were these Malware Companies' method of contact? Email? Cold Calls? If you actually spoke with one, did they sound 'Obviously Evil', or just 'Business Evil'? Usually start with an email and progress to a call. I've spoken to a few on the phone and they sound just like normal people proposing a business deal. I'm sure they've justified what they do in their own mind so they don't sound shifty or unsure at all. Mental gymnastics is an amazing thing.
How do I know you are actually a malware company that bought honey using this AMA to trick people into downloading your extension and then infecting us with malware? That's pretty meta.
Well the team here at Honey isn't hard to find. You can find out who we are and where we live pretty easily. People running malware companies are not going to use their real identity.
Favorite piece of malware? We were approached by a company that wanted us to replace all Google ads you see with their ads that look just like Google ads. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. That one's pretty clever.
Something weird about me is that I have never clicked an ad on a website. Back when I first used the internet there was real danger that those ads were viruses and I was told by my dad not to even think if clicking them. I'm sure ad companies hate people like me. Bro, adblock.
What was the biggest offer you have had to try to buy you out? We didn't even entertain the concept of it so we never went far enough to get a price.
But the data collection company did throw a dollar figure our way. It's over 6 figures a month.
you said no? Why? We believe Honey can become the de facto software that every online shopper use when they buy things online. That's a much larger opportunity and doing anything shady will kill that potential.
Also because we're not shady people. :)
If you have 700,000 users and the company offered $100,000 they would need to make 15c per user per month on average just to break even, Probably a whole lot more to make a profit. The detailed behavior of 700K people is worth a lot more than $1.2M a year. Think about Nielsen and how many people they collect data from. The data they own makes them a $17B company. This is the type of data I'm talking about: Link to en.wikipedia.org From the wikipedia page: "Use of clickstream data can raise privacy concerns, especially since some Internet service providers have resorted to selling users' clickstream data as a way to enhance revenue. There are 10-12 companies that purchase this data, typically for about $0.40/month per user."
1.2 million (could be a lot more depending on what the offer actually was) a year just to see what 700,000 people do online just sounds crazy to me.
I have a lot of respect for you guys turning down big bucks like that. Not everyone else does apparently. I get it. You see the bigger picture and dont want to make money off of people like that. Wish more people were like that. I never heard of your extension but it sounds great. Will download. How many people are on your team and was it a unanimous decision to turn it down? There are 6 of us right now. 2 full time and 4 part time. I guess like minds are attracted to each other because the decision was unanimous.
I'm not shady either, but I'm also not gonna turn down 6 figures a month. Have them write a shitty contract, then use your coding skills to write a new extension that blocks that. LOL this is probably how antivirus companies got started.
The link you gave in the OP says Honey (193)Shopping from joinhoney.com 264,640 users. Where is the 700k number? I don't know a lot about the chrome app store. The Chrome app store number is the weekly active number. Kind of like how Facebook has 1B users total and ~50% are active on a daily basis.
Do you accept donations or anything like that? After reading this I would definitely donate towards you guys. Thanks for the offer! We do a pretty good job conserving cash so we're doing ok financially. If you are feeling generous, give some money to this awesome charity that is out feeding the homeless: Sean's Outpost
How do you tell a malware company from a legitimate one? It's pretty easy to find the legitimate companies w/ a little Google-fu. We can also tell by looking at what they want us to do. Malware companies usually want to include their code in our extension and it's impossible to see what their code will do. Legitimate companies are ok with leaving us with the control.
Sometimes it's immediately obvious. Sometimes it takes a few exchanges to figure out what they are proposing. They also don't want to waste their time so they usually get to the point pretty quickly.
Has any company been so to the point as to just straight up say "Hey, can we put some of our malware code into your extension?" or are they usually not so blunt? "Hello, we're interested in potentially buying data from your browser extension userbase. We buy anonymous clickstream and browsing behavior data from browser extensions which we use for market research."
So I emailed back and asked what kind of data they want to buy. The answer was that they need us to install a small snippet of code in our extension that will do all the data collection automatically.
What do you think of the extension HoverZoom and the whole situation with it's developer including code that collected user data in the extension? This is incredibly dangerous for the extension ecosystem in general. This kind of activity will force the platforms (Chrome store and Mozilla store) to be more and more restrictive, in turn taking away browser extension's ability to do anything meaningful. Everybody loses at the end.
It's kind of a microcosm of the Internet and its evolution: It went from people having a good time, to people trying to monetize it, to people having to wear hazmat suits to get through it safely. Dammit that's depressing.
Have any online retailers tried to get you to remove coupons? For example: If they only wanted to offer the coupon to certain customers, or delivered it through a mailing list. Nope. Online retailers understand that it's much better to keep you on the site instead of having you go off searching for a coupon. Our extension answers the "is there a coupon for my order" question for you so the chance you'll go through with the purchase is higher.
Coupons used to be a way for retailers to attract people to their site. But these days it's also a way for them to close the deal. Sites like Gap will often plaster coupon code all over their site to motivate you to buy something.
Oh my god I've been searching for website for that for months, do you have a Firefox plug in? Yup, go to joinhoney.com w/ FF and you'll see the install button.
I was about to download Honey, but the reviews say it doesn't work on amazon. Are you guys working to fix this? Thanks for the ama Well, it does what it's supposed to do, which is apply the live Amazon coupon codes into your cart. However, Amazon uses very product specific codes so the chance of the codes matching up to the product you are buying is low. So when people hit the button and it doesn't save them money, they think Honey doesn't work.
In the future we may make money through affiliate programs similar to coupon and rebate sites or through other innovative programs that help you save even more time and money. We will always prioritize the deal that saves people the most money even if we don't get paid on it. It might cost us in the short term but it will pay off in the long term.
We don't collect or drop any cookies. But from your FAQ... We collect automatically generated information such as log data, *cookies*, device information, data about the success or failure of codes applied to your cart, and some other information collected by Google Analytics. When we wrote the FAQ we were told to be as broad as possible with what we declare. This is supposed to cover all the basis so that we don't get in trouble if we try something new and it's not covered in the privacy policy. We don't collect or drop any cookies as of today.
What's the chances of an opera or firefox extension? We have a firefox version at our website. Opera will still be a while unfortunately - working on other things like this
What do you think Google should do to combat the practice of allowing malware companies to infiltrate extensions how they have? This is a very hard problem even for someone with the resources of Google to solve. A starting point could be an improved feedback system upon extension removal like they just announced for ads.
Is the extension useless for those outside of US borders? Yes for now. :(
Supporting stores internationally is a top priority and we want to get it done in 2014.
Is there a way to report these companies? I mean like can you report them to chrome? it seems like they don't have a system for this. Is there a reason they don't deal with this kind of thing? Google doesn't have a robust system to deal with this because (I hope) this isn't a very common problem. If you have reason to believe an extension is behaving like malware, you can submit it to Google at: Link to support.google.com
How many extra downloads have you seen since you've done this AMA? ~10K downloads today.
Is that 10k additional or total? I'm just wondering what the reddit bump was, essentially. That's the reddit bump only.
Tons of people complaing it didn't find them a coupon because more than likely the coupon just flat out doesn't exist at the time. Yea it hurts each time we get one of those. We're fighting an uphill battle because we're looking for coupons on something you are already going to buy instead of trying to get you to buy something you weren't planning on buying. By design it's not going to be 100%. The auto coupon feature finds people savings ~23% of the time. We want that # to be as close to 100% as possible. But to do so, we have to figure out new and innovative ways to find people savings.
Have you had any threats from said companies after refusing the offers? No they just move on to the next developer I'm sure.
How would they be able to use Honey to spread malware? It's not about spreading malware. It's about turning existing non-malware extensions into malware.
Hypothetical question: if the most evil of such companies offered you sixty billion dollars to buy you out, would you do it? For sixty billion dollars?! I would take it in a heart beat. Then I'll take $1 billion, split it 700,000 ways and send each one of our users a $1,500 check along with a letter explaining the situation. Retire with $59B and a clean conscience.
How come Honey has found me no discounts yet? :( What sites have you used it on?
Ever thought about doing the same with dogecoin in addition to bitcoin for amazon purchases? The altcoins are a little tricky because there's no payment processors that handle them. It'll be interesting to automate some type of exchange between the altcoin to btc in real-time and then push the btc through the payment processor. We'll definitely explore that.
What does your extension do? And is there an extension for the iPad version of chrome? Edit: I would look now but I'm on my phone Our extension automatically search for coupons and apply them to your shopping cart during checkout. Unfortunately mobile browsers do not currently support extension.
Are the approaching companies foreign or domestic? Surprisingly they're mostly domestic.
I'm not gonna lie, if I made a free extension and got a 6-figure monthly offer to sell out, I'm taking it. It was tempting for sure because the data they wanted isn't personally identifiable and it's mainly for research purposes. But then again we all have skills that will make us a decent living if we wanted so our primary motivation for building Honey isn't money. It was an easy call to make.
Name and shame em! These are shadowy companies that use aliases and shell companies to contact us. Naming them will have no effect. This is what keeps them safe.
Malware inc. In a world where companies give themselves honest names~
Yeah, we all know you guys aren't actually selling honey. Of course we sell Honey. Why else would we call ourselves Honey? PM me your address and we'll send you a sampler kit! Edit: This was a joke but I got a bunch of addresses. We're going to follow through and put some honey packages together. Sorry we can't afford to send them overseas because the shipping will kill us!
Aren't you.
OP you better deliver. We will! Brb, going to go buy some Honey.
How tempting was it to take big offers from malware companies and have you ever thought about doing it in the future. Not tempting at all. 1) we hate that as users, 2) we have far bigger plans for things we can build with Honey to make shopping better. So no chance it ever happens in the future.
What was your initial reaction, how did they approach you. The first time we were approached we thought it was legit. Spent some time going back and forth until we got to the specifics of what we need to do on our side. Then we realized it would turn us into a spyware.
Just want to say you guys are the only extension I run. Try out RES. You'll never get off Reddit.
You guys are awesome and honey is awesome. Such kindness Much generosity Wow EDIT: One day I'm going to look back at this comment the same way I look at my baggie jeans from the '90s.
+dogetipbot 200 doge verify.
We turned them all down. Just AWESOME. I'm going to try it out just because you guys rock. Haha I'm actually a little sad. We shouldn't be awesome because we refuse to be shady. That should be expected.
Keep talking, the more you say, the more i like you. If you are as magnificent as Gandalf's beard, we should be BFFs.
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How to Value a SaaS Business in 2016 - Full Guide

This is an extremely detailed and throughout look at how we at FE International value all of the SaaS businesses that come to us to be sold. These valuation techniques and opinions are from first hand experience with helping people sell their own SaaS business. We decided that it would useful to create a guide that you could use when valuing your own SaaS business. The bulk of the guide is posted below, but if you want to read where the info is better formatted and you don't have to go to imgur to view the images then you can read the full article here.
 
Enjoy the guide and if you have any questions feel free to leave them in the comments below, I will be around answering all of them that I can!
 
How to value a SaaS business is perhaps one of the hottest and most ambiguous debates among small business entrepreneurs, investors and advisors at the moment. Stories of wildly high revenue multiples for unicorn SaaS businesses can seem at odds with the modest earnings multiples for smaller SaaS businesses, which serves to confuse the information in the marketplace. So which one is right? The answer is both, but they are entirely different investment propositions. The difference between the two situations comes down to the size and growth of the businesses in question, as we explore in depth below.
 

SDE vs. EBITDA vs. Revenue

Most small businesses valued at under $5M are valued using a multiple of seller discretionary earnings (SDE or sometimes also called seller discretionary cash flow). SDE is the profit left to the business owner once all costs of goods sold and critical (i.e. non-discretionary) operating expenses have been deducted from gross income. Crucially, any owner salary can be added back to the profit number too.
 
More easily it is described as: Revenue – CoGS – Operating Expenses + Owners Compensation
 
SDE is used for small business valuation to demonstrate the true underlying earnings power of the business. Most small businesses are owner-operated and somewhat owner-reliant and therefore have an associated owner salary and expenses. The owner is likely to pay themselves a salary for the work and pay a number of personal items through the business for tax efficiency. These are acceptable addbacks to reflect the true earnings power of the business.
 
The situation changes though as businesses grow larger. In bigger companies, there are more employees and more management personnel. Similarly, the ownership structure tends to fragment with several shareholders who typically play a less active role in the business, often hiring a general manager to oversee operations. In this situation, any owner compensation or discretionary expenses should be reflected back into the business to show its true earnings power. In this case, a new benchmark of earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) is employed. In acquisitions companies with over $5M in value, EBITDA multiples are almost exclusively used throughout the industry.
 
So what does this all mean for your SaaS business? The test for SDE vs EBITDA vs Revenue is therefore:
 
 
If you answered yes to any or all of the above, your SaaS business is one for a valuation using SDE. Investors will appraise your business based on this benchmark alone and apply a multiple to arrive at the final business valuation. If you answer no, EBITDA or revenue might be more appropriate. This leads to the next question, how to decide the multiple?
 

Finding the Multiple

The multiple is one of the most important pieces of the equation and is affected by dozens of factors related to the business. Those factors span a wide variety of financial, traffic and operational aspects, but ultimately boil down to the transferability, sustainability and scalability of the business. Any operational or market factor that directly or indirectly impacts these core drivers will influence the multiple. At [FE International](feinternational.com/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=entrepreneur%20&utm_campaign=home), we use a proprietary internal valuation scorecard to derive the value of an internet business. We’ve discussed this in depth in our post on how to value an online business. Here’s a sample of the types of questions to consider - http://imgur.com/1MuSHT9
The above is short summary of the questions and factors involved in a full SaaS business valuation. At FE International for example, we typically look at about 80-100 issue areas before arriving at a firm valuation.
 

Ok… But How Much Is My SaaS Business Worth?

SaaS businesses typically fall within the 2.5x – 4.0x annual profit (SDE) range. This is quite a large range. If your business is making $100K in profit per year, that’s a valuation difference of $250K vs. $400K, which is no small sum of money. How do you know where your business is in that range? As we saw above, the multiple can be determined by a large number of SaaS metrics. In the initial assessment it is useful to filter these variables into a few that have the most influence:
 
 

Valuation Spectrum

This diagram should give you a good feel of where your business could be - http://imgur.com/3Upysu3
 
While the general valuation drivers above are a key consideration, it’s important to note that every business is unique and each SaaS business has its own merits and draw backs. As the valuation process goes deeper, more business model-specific factors come into play when determining the final multiple.
 

Which SaaS Metrics Matter Most?

Investors looking to buy a SaaS business are looking for points of strength and differentiation. To determine the points of strength and differentiation investors will often look at a few key metrics.
 

1) Churn

Churn is a significant driver of valuation because it touches upon all the key factors that impact the perceived future cash flows of a SaaS business. Its importance of this SaaS metric should not be underestimated when you consider the long-term impact on the business. Taking the below example of two companies with 5% and 20% annual churn, the corresponding revenue after 10 years is markedly different.
 
Example of Two Companies w/ Different Churn - http://imgur.com/kV7acNj
 
Provided there is a consistent flow of new customers at an acceptable cost of acquisition rate, low churn will allow recurring revenues to grow, improving the growth rate and reducing the risk of value loss over the long term. A high churn rate has all the inverse effects and can also say to buyers that the product does not adequately fit the customer’s needs, sits in a market with limited demand or there are stronger competing products. This would imply that the product requires further development at their expense.
 
How Much Churn?
 
The importance of churn is widely accepted. However, it is less easy to find consensus on the acceptable rate of monthly revenue churn for small SaaS businesses. Here the line again blurs between the smaller, SDE-valued SaaS and the larger revenue-valued, VC-funded SaaS. Bessemer Venture Partners, an investor in VC-funded SaaS businesses, says an acceptable churn rate for these is in the 5 – 7% range annually (0.42 – 0.58% monthly). This is also supported by Pacific Crest’s Private SaaS Company Survey that shows roughly 70% of surveyed large SaaS companies had annual churn in the <10% range, with 75% of those at 5% or under. Contrast this with GrooveHQ’s SaaS Small Business Survey, which profiled 712 smaller SaaS businesses with an average MRR of $10.5K and found the average monthly churn rate was 3.2% (annualized that is a 32.2% churn rate). Similarly, Open Startups sampled 12 companies with an average $18.9K MRR and found a median monthly customer churn rate of 5.4% (46% annually) and monthly revenue churn of 11.2% (75% annually).
 
So why the substantial difference? It comes down in large part to which customer segment the business is targeting. To begin with, most SaaS businesses focus on servicing the needs of small to mid-size businesses (SMB). Small businesses have lower demands and less sophisticated needs, so this is an easier point of entry than enterprise-grade software. The challenge though is that smaller customers tend to have higher churn rates. Generally speaking, SMB customers tend to alternate SaaS products more regularly because switching costs are low and are more likely to go out of business.
 
This latter point is also vital to the difference in churn between cash-rich and cash-poor SaaS businesses. The cash on hand that enterprise-level and VC-backed SaaS companies have to spend on sales and client retention personnel versus what is available to smaller, owner-operated SME-facing SaaS businesses is not comparable at all.
 
So what is an acceptable churn rate for smaller SaaS businesses?
 
We took data from a sample of the last 25 SaaS sales at [FE International](feinternational.com/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=entrepreneur%20&utm_campaign=home) ranging from $50,000 to $2,000,000 in sale value across a variety of niches in both B2B and B2C. We found a monthly customer churn range of 1.0% to 11.0%, with an average of 4.7% (annualized 44.1%). Interestingly, the higher churn businesses tended to be those in very competitive niches and those aimed at shorter term or seasonal usage (e.g. recruitment). Our findings map similarly to Tunguz’s observations of customer churn, which he thinks to be 3-7% for SME-focused SaaS while lower for mid-market and enterprise grade:
 
So where to end up?
 
Higher churn is almost a fact of life for smaller SaaS businesses. The focus for investors should in part be on improving the churn rate where they can (more on that below) but more fully placed on customer acquisition to replace those lost clients.
 

2) Customer Aquisition Cost (CAC) and Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV)

 
The Customer Acquisition Cost (CAC) is the total marketing and sales cost to acquire one additional customer. Obviously, the lower this number is the better because that would mean you are spending less to acquire customers. However, there is no “golden” number when it comes to CAC because each SaaS business is going to be different. To make an apples to apples comparison you will need to incorporate an additional metric – Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV). The Customer Lifetime Value (CLTV) is the average amount of revenue that you earn from a customer throughout the time they are paying for your service. The higher your CLTV is the more valuable each new customer is to your business. Just like with CAC, there is no standard CLTV number. Once again, the number will vary depending on your business model, market, competition and a multitude of other factors.
 
The CLTV/CAC Ratio
 
In order to truly get the most use out of these two metrics you’ll need to compare them to each other. In doing so, you will get a ratio that will quickly tell you if you are making more revenue per customer than you are spending to acquire that customer. This allows you to measure the return on investment of your marketing efforts and determine if your growth strategy is working. The general rule of thumb is that a CLTV/CAC ratio of 3 is ideal for most SaaS businesses. This will allow for enough cushion to account for a dip in the CLTV or an increase in the CAC and still be able to generate a healthy profit margin.
 

4) MRR vs ARR

 
In small, self-funded SaaS businesses, the temptation is to sell reduced annual plans to increase top-line revenue and improve cash flow to reinvest into growth. While in many situations this is necessary, from a valuation perspective it will hold the business back. The same goes for selling lifetime plans – these are a big no-no when it comes to increasing the value of a SaaS business.
 
SaaS metrics of revenue, in order of value to a buyer - http://imgur.com/PdzbTUm
 
This is often the opposite of what an owner of a business will look to do, especially when looking for growth capital. Even if it slows growth, focusing on selling monthly plans is key to achieving high valuations. We would usually value MRR around two times higher than equivalent revenue from lifetime plans, so this can often outweigh the benefits of the short-term cash flow boost. The average SaaS business we sold in 2015 had a 4:1 ratio of MRR to ARR – this is an ideal mix to aim for to maximize valuation. Generally, these products will have annual plans priced 10-20% less than monthly plans and years of ARR churn data. SaaS products with a higher ratio of annual plans would see a lower valuation as the revenues are less predictable.
 

Other Factors to Consider When Valuing a SaaS Business

Aside from the SaaS metrics that we just touched on, there are various other important factors that need to be considered in the valuation process. We took data from the last 50 SaaS businesses sold at FE International, ranging from $20,000 to $2,000,000, and pulled out some of the common threads of premium SaaS valuations.
 

1) Customer Acquisition Channels

 
Acknowledging the higher rate of churn that smaller, SME-facing SaaS businesses experience, customer acquisition is understandably a focal point for evaluating the longevity of these businesses. If the business is losing 30-50% of its customers per year, the only option is to add a significant number of new customers each month to counteract the loss (at least in the short to medium term). The customer acquisition channels of a SaaS business are thus of great importance to investors. Buyers tend to evaluate these in terms of concentration, competition and conversion.
 
 

2) Product Lifecycle

Eventually all software needs development to keep up with customer requirements or to grow the business further. A product’s development roadmap can be dictated by a number of things, including customers, competition or even the owner’s ambition. While every SaaS business is unique in its development requirements, when the business comes to market, it’s generally best practice to have the product in a high point of its development life-cycle, in other words, not requiring a major update any time soon. This gives the new owner some runway ahead of any major development and provides some comfort that the seller hasn’t simply given up on the business and is passing over ownership at a time when the product needs care and attention. In this diagram here, it’s the equivalent of selling at point A, where the software is maturing, and point B where the software has aged too much and is in need of development to promote further sales. Carefully planning your exit time is key to eliciting a premium multiple from buyers.
 

3) Technical Knowledge

As mentioned briefly (see: general factors), the amount of owner involvement in the business and particularly the nature of the work can be a sensitive valuation factor for SaaS businesses. At first this might seem counter-intuitive to a SaaS entrepreneur. More technical input from the owner (i.e. development) suggests a sophisticated product, which implies unique IP and a high-quality product. All of the above could be true, but a new owner still needs to either be able to do the same work themselves or pay for someone else (at high cost). Factoring this into the SDE will ultimately lower the valuation. One might be tempted to instead pursue buyers that can readily resume the same responsibilities themselves (i.e. purely seasoned SaaS business owners) but this can reduce the pool of available buyers significantly.
 
To put it into context, of the last 25 SaaS sales at FE International, 65% of them sold to new owners that would describe themselves as non-technical. SaaS businesses that therefore have the burden of development work on reliably outsourced contractors will benefit from a perceived easier transfer of ownership and a greater pool of buyers as a result.
 

4) Competition

Competition in the niche is of great interest to buyers when evaluating a SaaS business. Clearly the level of competition is important to understand for any business purchase, whether an AdSense blog, an ecommerce business or lead generation website. In SaaS though it becomes of acute interest because of the generally higher number of VC-funded players in the industry and the high development costs associated with the business model. A smaller SaaS business in a highly competitive niche will tend to find itself under-funded and unable to compete with the development efforts and features of better-funded, VC-backed SaaS companies. A good example of this is 5pm, a small SaaS operating competing against huge players like Basecamp and Asana.
 

What Can You Do to Increase the Value of Your SaaS Business Before a Sale?

An exit strategy for any business is crucial before a sale. You can add hundreds of thousands of dollars of value to a business by taking the right steps before a sale. Naturally not all the valuation factors are addressable (e.g. competition in the niche) but there are a number of strategic moves you can make to increase the value of your SaaS business before a sale. Below we discuss six key topics to think about in the run up to the sale.
 

1) Reduce Churn

With churn such an important aspect of SaaS valuation, it’s a key element to try to reduce ahead of coming to market. There are many ways to reduce churn and a full exploration of these is well beyond the scope of this article, but below we’ve highlighted some of the best writing on the topic:
 
 

2) Outsource Development and Support

As touched upon in the valuation drivers above, there is both a ‘passivity premium’ and a non-technical premium that can be attached to SaaS businesses that have effectively and reliably outsourced development and customer support. Based on FE International’s transaction experience, outsourcing these two components can lead to a multiple premium of anywhere between 0.5x – 0.75x. It can also reduce the buyer’s assumed owner replacement cost which lifts the business’ earnings for multiplication and thus the valuation even higher. This double-win means that effective outsourcing is one of the greatest levers of exit value for SaaS business owners. The focus here should be on effective and proven outsourcing. A haphazard attempt to move customer support to an unproven call center in the Philippines will not be regarded favorably. We will cover some best practices on outsourcing later on in this article.
 

3) Secure Intellectual Property (IP)

It might seem obvious, but a surprising number of business owners fail to properly secure their intellectual property ahead of a sale, which can have detrimental effects on the transaction later on. Securing IP is very important for SaaS businesses, particularly for transactions of >$500K where the cash check being written starts to become significant. Ideally this should have been pursued in the early stages of the business’ development but there is no harm in retroactively applying for a trademark ahead of a business sale. You can do this through the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Trademarks tend to be easier, shorter and less expensive to apply for than patents. Securing IP doesn’t just stop at trademark filing. Any individual that was involved in writing code or developing the product should be asked to sign an IP assignment for their work. This is particularly relevant to contractors hired from freelancer marketplaces as well as any other third-party company used. This is a standard due diligence request for larger ($500K+) larger SaaS sales but is worth securing right from the outset on any sized business.
 

4) Document the Source Code

A well-documented, annotated and tested source code is a distinguishing factor of premium-valued SaaS businesses. Particularly on the upper end ($500K+), well-documented code is almost a must-have for investors that are looking to scale the business into 7-figures and beyond. It can be a deal-killing issue and is one that is readily avoidable through adequate preparation ahead of coming to market. Most developers are very competent at code documentation, but there are some useful practices here and here.
 

5) Position the Product

As we looked at above in the product lifecycle analysis, where the product is at in its development cycle when it comes to market is important to investors and influential on the exit multiple. Business owners plotting a sale should think about planning their next major upgrade 3-6 months ahead of going to market. This has a number of short and medium-term benefits. First, it brings some immediate additional earnings to the current owner, assuming a positive uptake and increase in trials for new customers. Second, it lifts the earnings figure (the SDE) which forms the basis of the sale valuation. Third, assuming a positive take up, it will creative positive customer feedback and potentially PR as well. Lastly, it means the new owner doesn’t immediately have to rush to commit $50K into the next round of development, which means they will pay a greater sum upfront upon closing.
 

6) Avoid Discounting

Tempting as it can be for some business owners, launching an unprecedented sale of annual plans to book a large amount of revenue ahead of a sale is not a wise strategy. Sellers have been known to do this to inflate the valuation ahead of a sale and to generate additional cash. Unfortunately, all buyers see through this strategy and either discount the relevant months or steer clear of the sale entirely. Unserved portions of packages sold on annual plans are often rebated to a new owner, so this is a pointless exercise. The key to a successful exit is to continue to run the business in a similar fashion in the months before and during the sale. If a sale is seasonal (e.g. Black Friday), that is an acceptable event to run a discount. If it’s outside of normal proceedings, its best to avoid discounting altogether.
 

Salability: How Attractive is Your SaaS Business?

Ahead of going to market, you’ll need to look at the salability of your SaaS business, or rather, how attractive it looks to buyers AND how attractive it is to own. This is broader than just the fundamentals discussed thus far, it comes down in large part to the operational setup. Here are some tips to help you improve operations efficiently and effectively:
 

1. Documentation

You’ll need to have detailed financials for your business in order to prepare for a sale. Accounting applications, such as QuickBooks, can be a big help, but make sure your accounting is up to date – and keep it that way as you enter the sale process. Details are key, and so is organization. Serious buyers are unlikely to sift through months of financial records and tax returns to determine whether the investment is worth it. Luckily, a good broker can assist you in this process. You should also be prepared to give prospective buyers any analytics you have for past and current ad campaigns, email data and website traffic.
 

2. Operating Procedures

Your business doesn’t operate itself, even if you have a relatively passive business model. Prospective buyers will need to know the responsibilities involved in your operation, so document all of your daily, weekly and monthly processes and procedures. This will make the transition faster and easier for both of you. Moreover, buyers may be more inclined to pay a premium for businesses with well-documented operations, so this step could easily translate to a higher profit for you. There are some useful software applications for writing standard operating procedures (SOPs) quickly like SweetProcess and some useful guidance online about writing best in class documentation.
 

3. Customer Metrics

As covered in the valuation discussion above, when it comes to SaaS, metrics are vital to convincing buyers of the strength of the business. Seasoned investors in the space will review MRR, churn, LTV, CAC, retention and your cash burn rate closely. Not sure what those first three are? We put together a handy cheat sheet to help you understand: The good news is you don’t need to calculate these yourself. The SaaS analytics industry has a number of great solutions for business owners including Baremetrics (for Stripe), ChartMogul (for Stripe, BrainTree, Recurly and PayPal) and FirstOfficer (for Stripe) to name a few. Make sure to integrate these with your merchant processor well in advance of a sale, to capture the relevant historical data before going to market. Note: ChartMogul has a useful tool for loading past data too!
 

4. Outsourcing

The prospective buyer for your business is not necessarily looking for a job, so if you’re able to reliably outsource tasks to agencies, contractors or virtual assistants, do it. Online businesses that are more passive in nature tend to sell at a higher price than those that involve more work on the owner’s part. Remember the ‘power of passivity’: it’s a potentially huge value driver for the sale of your business. Owners who can successfully remove themselves from the day-to-day of their business often find that they benefit from a higher valuation once they’re ready to sell. Virtual assistants can be very useful in this regard and we’ve discussed effective hiring and delegation here.
 

5. Powder in the Keg

If you’ve done the legwork developing a new feature and creating a marketing strategy around it, it can be worthwhile holding off on releasing before a sale. The addition of a brand new product or revenues will need 3-6 months of history to move a valuation higher (this is not unique to SaaS businesses). A smarter strategy is often to use this as leverage to gain stronger offers off the existing valuation and get a higher cash consideration upfront. This can often offset the perceived lost profit from delaying the release of the new product or upgrade.
 

Wrapping Up

You should have all of the tools needed to properly value SaaS businesses. If you have any questions about the valuation process or if you're looking to sell your SaaS business feel free to reach out. Thanks for reading and I will be answering questions below.
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