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The truth behind Puskás Akadémia FC - How Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán stole a legend, built a stadium in his backyard and guided his team to Europe

The 2019/2020 season of the Hungary’s National Football League (NB1) – being one of the first leagues to restart play - came to an end on 27 June. If a casual observer (for whatever reason) decides to check out the final standings, he would be not surprised at the first two positions: record-champion Ferencváros defended their title, while regional powerhouse Fehérvár (Videoton) came in second. However, the third place team, Puskás Akadémia FC might seem unusual and one could think that there is a story behind that. Is there a team named after Ferenc Puskás? Did some academy youths make an incredible run for the Europa League qualification? Well, the observer is right, there is a story behind all this, but it’s absolutely not a fun story. It’s a story about how one powerful man’s obsession with football stole a legend, misused state funds and killed the spirit of Hungarian football. (Warning: this is a long story, feel free to scroll down for a tl;dr. Also, I strongly advise checking out the links, those images are worth seeing).
Naturally, political influence in football has been present ever since the dawn of the sport and we know of numerous state leaders who felt confident enough to use their influence to ensure the successful development of their favored clubs – Caucescu’s FC Olt Scornicesti and Erdogan’s Basaksehir are well-known examples of such attempts. However, I fear that very few of the readers are aware of the fact that Puskás Akadémia FC is nothing but Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán’s grandiose project for establishing his hometown’s club as one of the country’s top teams. Considering that Orbán managed to achieve this goal using state funds in an EU member democracy in the 2000s, one might even say that it might be one of the most impressive attempts of cheating your way through Football Manager in real life. Now that Puskás Akadémia FC escaped the desolate football scene of Hungary and is getting ready for the European takeover, I feel that it’s high time to tell its true story.

Part 1: Part time striker, part time PM

Our story begins in 1999 when the 36-year-old striker Viktor Orbán (recently elected as the country’s Prime Minister) was signed by the sixth-tier side of Felcsút FC residing in rural Fejér County. It might sound surprising that an active politician would consider such a side job, but given that Orbán has been playing competitive low-level football throughout his whole life and has always been known as a keen football enthusiast, people seemed to be okay with his choice for a hobby. Orbán spent most of his childhood in the village of Felcsút (population: 1,800), so it seemed only natural that he would join the team after one of his old-time acquaintances became team president there.
Orbán’s arrival to the club seemed to work like a charm as Felcsút FC immediately earned a promotion to the fifth league. The Prime Minister’s busy program did not allow him to attend every training session and game but Orbán did make an effort to contribute as much as possible on the field – there is a report of a government meeting being postponed as Orbán was unavailable due to attending Felcsút FC’s spring training camp. The 2001/2002 season brought another breakthrough for the side as Felcsút was promoted to the national level of the football pyramid after being crowned the champion of Fejér County. Sadly enough for Orbán, he suffered a defeat on another pitch – his party lost the 2002 election and Orbán was forced to move to an opposition role.
No matter what happened on the political playing field, Orbán would not abandon his club. Just before the 2002 elections, Felcsút was surprisingly appointed as one of the regional youth development centers by the Hungarian FA. Orbán continued contributing on the field as well (he had more spare time after all) but his off-the-field efforts provided much more value for the team as he used his political influence to convince right-wing businessmen that they should definitely get sponsorship deals done with the fourth-division village team.
Club management was able to transform the influx of funds into on-field success: Felcsút FC was promoted to the third division in 2004 and achieved promotion to the second division in 2005. Although these new horizons required a skill level that an aging ex-PM is not likely to possess, Orbán regularly played as a late game sub and even appeared in cup games against actual professional opponents. The now-42-year old Orbán did not want to face the challenge of the second division, so he retired in 2005 – but this did not stop him from temping as an assistant coach when the head coach was sacked in the middle of the 2005-2006 season.
Success on the playing field did not translate to political success: Orbán lost the elections once again in 2006. However, this was only a temporary loss: the ruling party committed blunder after blunder and by early 2007 it became absolutely obvious that Orbán would be able return to power in 2010. Now confident in his political future, Orbán opted for the acceleration of football development in Felcsút – by late 2007 he took over the presidency of the club to take matters in his own hands. Sponsors seeking to gain favor with the soon-to-be PM were swarming Felcsút FC, so the club was able to stand very strong in an era where financial stability was a very rare sight in the Hungarian football scene, accumulating three medals (but no promotion) between 2007 and 2009.
On the other hand, Orbán realized the value of youth development as well, and started a local foundation for this purpose back in 2004 that gathered funds for the establishment a boarding school-like football academy. The academy opened its doors in September 2006 (only the second of such institutions in the country) and Orbán immediately took upon the challenge of finding an appropriate name for the academy.
He went on to visit the now very sick Ferenc Puskás in the hospital to discuss using his name, but as Puskás’ medical situation was deteriorating rapidly, communication attempts were futile. Luckily enough Puskás’ wife (and soon to be widow) was able to act on his incapable husband’s behalf and approved the naming deal in a contract. According to the statement, naming rights were granted without compensation, as “Puskás would have certainly loved what’s happening down in Felcsút”. However, there was much more to the contract: Puskás’ trademark was handed to a sports journalist friend of Orbán (György Szöllősi, also acting communications director of the academy) who promised a hefty annual return for the family (and also a 45% share of the revenue for himself). Ferenc Puskás eventually died on 17 November 2006 and on 26 November 2006 the football academy was named after him: Puskás Academy was born.
Orbán shared his vision of the whole organization after the opening ceremony: “It’s unreasonable to think that Felcsút should have a team in the top division. We should not flatter ourselves, our players and our supporters with this dream. Our long term ambition is the creation of a stable second division team that excels in youth development and provides opportunity for the talents of the future.” Let’s leave that there.

Part 2: No stadium left behind

Orbán became PM once again in April 2010 after a landslide victory that pretty much granted him unlimited power. He chased lots of political agendas but one of his policies was rock solid: he would revive sports (and especially football) that was left to bleed out by the previous governments. The football situation in 2010 was quite dire: while the national team has actually made some progress in the recent years and has reached the 42nd position in the world rankings, football infrastructure was in a catastrophic state. Teams were playing in rusty stadiums built in the communist era, club finances were a mess, youth teams couldn’t find training grounds and the league was plagued by violent fan groups and lackluster attendance figures (3100 average spectators per game in the 2009/2010 season).
Orbán – aided by the FA backed by business actors very interested in making him happy – saw the future in the total rebuild of the football infrastructure. Vast amounts of state development funds were invested into the football construction industry that warmly welcomed corruption, cost escalation and shady procurement deals. In the end, money triumphed: over the last decade, new stadiums sprung out from nothing all over the country, dozens of new academies opened and pitches for youth development appeared on practically every corner. The final piece of the stadium renovation program was the completion of the new national stadium, Puskás Aréna in 2019 (estimated cost: 575 million EUR). Orbán commemorated this historic moment with a celebratory video on his social media that features a majestic shot of Orbán modestly kicking a CGI ball from his office to the new stadium.
Obviously, Orbán understood that infrastructure alone won’t suffice. He believed in the idea that successful clubs are the cornerstone of a strong national side as these clubs would compete in a high quality national league (and in international tournaments) that would require a constant influx of youth players developed by the clubs themselves. However, Orbán was not really keen on sharing the state’s infinite wealth with private club owners who failed to invest in their clubs between 2002 and 2010. The club ownership takeover was not that challenging as previous owners were usually happy to cut their losses, and soon enough most clubs came under Orbán’s influence. Some clubs were integrated deep into Orbán’s reach (Ferencváros and MTK Budapest club presidents are high ranking officials of Orbán’s party) while in other cases, indirect control was deemed sufficient (Diósgyőri VTK was purchased by a businessman as an attempt to display loyalty to Orbán).
Pouring taxpayer money into infrastructure (stadium) projects is relatively easy: after all, we are basically talking about overpriced government construction projects, there’s nothing new there. On the other hand, allocating funds to clubs that should be operating on a competitive market is certainly a tougher nut to crack. The obvious solutions were implemented: the state media massively overpaid for broadcasting rights and the national sports betting agency also pays a hefty sum to the FA, allowing for a redistribution of considerable amounts. However, given that the income side of Hungarian clubs was basically non-existent (match day income is negligible, the failed youth development system does not sell players), an even more radical solution was desperately needed. Also, there was definite interest in the development of a tool that would allow for differentiation between clubs (as in the few remaining non-government affiliated clubs should not receive extra money).
The solution came in 2011: the so-called TAO (“társasági adó” = corporate tax) system was introduced, granting significant tax deductions for companies if they offered a portion of their profits to sports clubs – however, in theory, funds acquired through TAO can be only used for youth development and infrastructure purposes. Soon enough, it became apparent that state authorities were not exactly interested in the enforcement of these restrictions, so some very basic creative accounting measures enabled clubs to use this income for anything they wanted to. Companies were naturally keen on cutting their tax burdens and scoring goodwill with the government, so TAO money immediately skyrocketed. Opportunistic party strongmen used their influence to convince local business groups to invest in the local clubs, enabling for the meteoric rise of multiple unknown provincial teams (Mezőkövesd [pop: 16,000], Kisvárda [pop: 16,000], Balmazújváros [pop: 17,000]) into the first division.
Although it’s not the main subject of this piece, I feel inclined to show you the actual results of Orbán’s grandiose football reform. While we do have our beautiful stadiums, we don’t exactly get them filled – league attendance has stagnated around 3000 spectators per game throughout the whole decade. We couldn’t really move forward with our national team either: Hungary lost 10 positions in the FIFA World Rankings throughout Orbán’s ten years. On the other hand, the level of league has somewhat improved – Videoton and Ferencváros reached the Europa League group stage in 2019 and 2020, respectively. Too bad that the Instat-based top team of 2019/2020 Hungarian league consists of 10 foreigners and only 1 Hungarian: the goalkeeper.

Part 3: Small place, big game!

As seen in the previous chapter, Orbán did have a strong interest in the improvement of the football situation Hungary, but we shouldn’t forget that his deepest interest and true loyalty laid in the wellbeing of Felcsút and its academy. Now that Orbán had limitless means to see to the advancement of his beloved club, he got to work immediately. Orbán handed over formal club management duties to his friend / protégé / middleman / businessman Lőrinc Mészáros in 2010, but no questions would ever arise of who is actually calling the shots.
First of all, no club can exist without a proper stadium. Although in 2011 Orbán explicitly stated that “Felcsút does not need a stadium as stadiums belong to cities”, no one was really surprised in 2012 when the construction of the Felcsút stadium was announced. Orbán was generous enough to donate the lands just in front of his summer home in the village for the project, locating the entrance a mere ten meters away from his residence. Construction works for the stunningly aesthetic 3,800-seater arena (in a village of 1,800 people) started in April 2012 and were completed in April 2014, making Felcsút’s arena the second new stadium of Orbán’s gigantic stadium revival program.
The estimated budget of the construction was 120 million EUR (31,500 EUR / seat) was financed by the Puskás Academy who explicitly stated that they did not use government funds for the project. Technically, this statement is absolutely true as the construction was financed through the TAO money offered by the numerous companies looking for tax deduction and Orbán’s goodwill. However, technically, this means that the country’s budget was decreased by 120 million EUR unrealized tax revenue. Naturally, the gargantuan football stadium looks ridiculously out of place in the small village, but there’s really no other way to ensure that your favorite team’s stadium is within 20 seconds of walking distance from your home.
Obviously, a proper club should also have some glorious history. Felcsút was seriously lagging behind on this matter as though Felcsút FC was founded in 1931, it spent its pre-Orbán history in the uninspiring world of the 5th-7th leagues of the country. Luckily enough, Orbán had already secured Puskás’ naming rights and they were not afraid to use it, so Felcsút FC was renamed to Puskás Academy FC in 2009. The stadium name was a little bit problematic as the Hungarian national stadium in Budapest had sadly had the dibs on Puskás’ name, so they had to settle with Puskás’ Spanish nickname, resulting in the inauguration of the Pancho Arena. But why stop here? Orbán’s sports media strongman György Szöllősi acted upon the contract with Puskás’ widow and transferred all Puskás’ personal memorabilia (medals, jerseys, correspondence) to the most suitable place of all: a remote village in which Puskás never even set foot in.
While the off-field issues were getting resolved, Orbán’s attention shifted to another important area: the actual game of football. Although academy players started to graduate from 2008 on, it very soon became painfully obvious that the academy program couldn’t really maintain even a second division side for now. In 2009, Orbán reached an agreement with nearby Videoton’s owner that effectively transformed Felcsút FC into Videoton’s second team under the name of Videoton – Puskás Akadémia FC. The mutually beneficent agreement would allow Videoton to give valuable playing time to squad players while it could also serve as a skipping step for Puskás Academy’s fresh graduates to a first league team. The collaboration resulted in two mid-table finishes and a bronze medal in the second division in the following three seasons that wasn’t really impressive compared to Felcsút FC’s standalone seasons.
It seemed that the mixture of reserve Videoton players and academy youth was simply not enough for promotion, and although Orbán had assured the public multiple times that his Felcsút project was not aiming for the top flight, very telling changes arose after the 2011/2012 season. Felcsút terminated the Videoton cooperation deal and used the rapidly accumulating TAO funds to recruit experienced players for the now independently operating Puskás Academy FC (PAFC). The new directive worked almost too well: PAFC won its division with a 10 point lead in its first standalone year which meant that they would have to appear in the first league prior to the completion of their brand-new Pancho Arena. Too bad that this glorious result had almost nothing to do with the academy - only two players were academy graduates of the side’s regular starting XI.
Orbán did not let himself bothered with the ridiculousness of an academy team with virtually no academy players being promoted to the first division as he stated that “a marathon runner shouldn’t need to explain why the other runners were much slower than him”. Orbán also displayed a rare burst of modesty as he added that “his team’s right place is not in the first league, and they will soon be overtaken by other, better sides”.
The promotion of PAFC to the first division made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. Supporter groups were united in hatred all along the league and not surprisingly, away fans almost always outnumbered the home side at PAFC’s temporary home at Videoton’s Sóstói Stadium (demolished and rebuilt in its full glory since then). One of the teams, however, possessed an extraordinary degree of anger against PAFC: supporters of Budapest Honvéd – the only Hungarian team in which Ferenc Puskás played – felt especially awkward about the transfer of their club legend’s heritage to Felcsút. Tensions spiked at the PAFC – Honvéd game when home security forced Honvéd supporters to remove the “Puskás” part of their traditional “Puskás – Kispest – Hungary” banner – the team answered the insult with style as they secured a 4-0 victory supported by fans chanting “you can’t buy legends”.
Despite Orbán’s prognosis, other better sides did not rush to overtake his team, so PAFC, now residing in their brand new Pancho Arena, came through with a 14th and a 10th place in their first two seasons. Naturally, conspiracy theories began to formulate, speculating that government-friendly owners would certainly not be motivated to give their best against PAFC. However, as the league size was reduced to 12 for the 2015/2016 season, PAFC found themselves in a dire situation just before the final round: they needed a win and needed rival Vasas to lose against MTK in order to avoid relegation. PAFC’s draw seemed to be unlucky as they faced their arch-enemy Honvéd at home, but Honvéd displayed an absolute lackluster effort – fueling conspiracy theories – and lost the fixture 2 to 1 against a home side featuring four academy players. Vasas, however, did not disappoint, their 2-0 victory resulted in PAFC’s elimination and a very relaxed sigh all over the football community.
PAFC’s relegation seemed to be in accordance with Orbán’s 2013 statement, so public opinion supposed for a while that Orbán’s project came to a halting point and the Academy would go on to actually field academy players in the second division (especially as rostering foreign players was prohibited in the lower leagues). However, if you have read through this point, you know better than to expect Orbán to retreat – obviously, PAFC came back with a bang. With a ballsy move, PAFC didn’t even sell their foreign players, they just loaned them across the league, promising them that they would be able to return next year to the newly promoted team. The promise was kept as PAFC went into another shopping spree of experienced players (easily convincing lots of them to choose the second division instead of the first) and easily won the second league.
Orbán – now aware of his negligence – opted for the doubling the team’s budget, making PAFC the third most well-founded club in the whole country (only coming short to his friend’s Videoton and his party minion’s Ferencváros). With an actual yearly influx from TAO money in the ballpark of 30-40 million EUR, PAFC management had to really work wonders in creative accounting in order to make their money look somewhat legitimate. The books were now full of ridiculous items like:
Naturally, in the country of no consequences, absolutely nothing happened: PAFC went on with its spending and signed 35 foreigners between 2017 and 2020. They did so because they could not hope to field a winning team in the first league consisting of academy players, despite the fact that Puskás Academy has been literally drowning in money since 2007. This seems to somewhat contradict Orbán’s 2013 promise, stating that “Puskás Academy will graduate two or three players to major European leagues each year”. To be fair, there have been players who managed to emerge to Europe (well, exactly two of them: Roland Sallai plays at Freiburg, László Kleinheisler played at Werder Bremen) but most academy graduates don’t even have the slightest the chance to make their own academy’s pro team as it’s full of foreigners and more experienced players drawn for other teams’ programs.
Despite their unlimited funding, PAFC could not put up a top-tier performance in their first two years back in the first division, finishing 6th and 7th in the 12-team league. Many speculated that the lack of support, motivation and even a clear team mission did not allow for chemistry to develop within the multinational and multi-generational locker room. Consistency was also a rare sight on the coaching side: club management was absolutely impatient with coaches who were very easily released after a single bad spell and there were talks of on-field micromanagement request coming from as high as Orbán.
Even so, their breakthrough came dangerously close in 2018 as PAFC performed consistently well in the cup fixtures and managed to reach the final. Their opponent, Újpest played an incredibly fierce game and after a 2-2 draw, they managed to defeat PAFC in the shootout. Football fans sighed in relief throughout the country as ecstatic Újpest supporters verbally teased a visibly upset Orbán in his VIP lounge about his loss.
Obviously, we could only delay the inevitable. While this year’s PAFC side seemed to be more consistent than its predecessors, it seemed that they won’t be able to get close to the podium - they were far behind the obvious league winner duo of Ferencváros and Videoton and were trailing third-place Mezőkövesd 6 points just before the pandemic break. However, both Mezőkövesd and PAFC’s close rivals DVTK and Honvéd fall flat after the restart while PAFC was able to maintain its good form due to its quality roster depth. PAFC overtook Mezőkövesd after the second-to-last round as Mezőkövesd lost to the later relegated Debrecen side. (Mezőkövesd coach Attila Kuttor was fined harshly because of his post-game comments on how the FA wants PAFC to finish third.)
PAFC faced Honvéd in the last round once again, and as Honvéd came up with its usual lackluster effort, PAFC secured an effortless win, confidently claiming the third place. PAFC celebrated their success in a nearly empty stadium, however neither Orbán, nor Mészáros (club owner, Orbán’s protégé, now 4th richest man of Hungary) seemed to worry about that. While Orbán high-fived with his peers in the VIP lounge, Mészáros was given the opportunity to award the bronze medals (and for some reason, a trophy) to the players dressed up in the incredibly cringe worthy T-shirts that say “Small place, big game!”. Big game, indeed: in the 2019/2020 season, foreign players’ share of the teams playing time was 43.6% while academy graduates contributed only 17.9%.
On Sunday evening, less than 24 hours after PAFC’s glorious success, György Szöllősi, now editor-in-chief of Hungary’s only sports newspaper (purchased by Orbán’s affiliates a few years back) published an editorial on the site, stating that “the soccer rebuild in Felcsút became the motor and symbol of the revitalization of sport throughout the whole country”. Well, Szöllősi is exactly right: Felcsút did became a symbol, but a symbol of something entirely different. Felcsút became a symbol of corruption, inefficiency, lies and the colossal waste of money. But, hey, at least we know now: you only need to spend 200 million EUR (total budget of PAFC and its academy in the 2011-2020 period) if you want to have a Europa League team in your backyard. Good to know!

Epilogue: What's in the future?

As there is no foreseeable chance for political change to happen Hungary (Orbán effortlessly secured qualified majority in 2014 and 2018, and is projected to do so in 2022 as well), PAFC’s future seems to be as bright as it gets. Although consensus opinion now seems to assume that Orbán does not intend to interfere with the Ferencváros – Videoton hegemony, we can never be really sure about the exact limits of his greed. One could also argue that entering the European theater serves as a prime opportunity for making splashy transfers who could be the cornerstones of a side challenging the league title.
However, as all political systems are deemed to fall, eventually Orbán’s regime will come apart. Whoever will take upon the helm after Orbán, they will certainly begin with cutting back on the one item on Orbán’s agenda that never had popular support: limitless football spending. Puskás Academy, having next to zero market revenue, will not be able to survive without the state’s life support, so the club will fold very shortly. The abandoned, rotting stadium in Felcsút will serve as a memento of a powerful man who could not understand the true spirit of football.
But let’s get back to present day, as we have more pressing issues coming up soon: PAFC will play their first European match in the First qualifying round of the Europa League on 27 August. We don’t have a date for the draw yet, but soon enough, a team unaware of the whole situation will be selected to face the beast. I hope that maybe one of their players does some research and maybe reads this very article for inspiration. I hope that the supporters of this club get in touch with Honvéd fans who would be eager to provide them with some tips on appropriate chants. I hope that other teams gets drawn as the home team so Orbán wouldn’t get the pleasure of walking to his stadium for an international match. But most importantly, I very much hope that this team obliterates PAFC and wipes them off the face of the earth. 5-0 will suffice, thank you.
And if this team fails to do that, we don’t have to worry yet. Due to our shitty league coefficient, PAFC would need to win four fixtures in a row. And that – if there’s any justice in this world – is a thing that can’t, that won’t happen. Ball don’t lie – if I may say.
TL,DR
Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán redirected some 200 million EUR of taxpayer money over 10 years to fuel his ambition of raising a competitive football team in his hometown of 1,800 people. He built a 3,800-seater stadium in his backyard, expropriated football legend Ferenc Puskás’ trademarks and heritage and built up a football league where almost all clubs are owned by his trustees. His team, Puskás Akadémia FC was originally intended to be a development ground for youth players graduating from Orbán’s football academy, but eventually the team became more and more result-orianted. Finally, a roster full of foreign and non-academy players came through and finished third in the league, releasing this abomination of a team to the European football theatre. Please, knock them out asap!
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10 years of gambling addiction comes to a close.

Hello,
I thought I would essentially start my journey by posting here so I can get my thoughts written out in black and white. Ultimately my journey began fairly common to others in the UK. I was 17 years of age starting to become interested in going to football with friends and putting on accumulators mostly multiple £1 bets or the odd £5 ones never spending more than £10-£15 pounds over the course of the weekend. Like most I have the fond memory of winning big and still had the screenshot of it until recently when I moved onto betting online when the gambling apps started coming out thick and fast rather than going into the bookmaker shops themselves. £2.50 I had placed on a 250/1 double and at the age of 18 I thought I had won the lottery I did not gamble all the money away I spent it enjoying myself and going out with friends and continued spending small with gambling.
Not long after this it turned into going to the casino every other weekend for something to eat, drink and of course bet. I remember going with a few friends and one of them was starting with £800 which he had in cash. I had never in my life seen this much money in cash before and was just blown away by it. I cannot even remember on the night if he won or lost money all I can remember is that wad of cash and thinking that is what I want to be like and be able to afford to bet that amount. Long story short of course my friend at the time ended up become extremely addicted to gambling as I realised over the years to come.
Roll on 5 years later I have lost endless amounts of money by throwing away my wages every single day. Gambling online week after week, month after month and in turn year after year. Some of the moments that stick out in my mind were when I would sit up and wait for pay to come into my bank at 02:00am when I had work the next day and it would be lost within an hour or 2, an entire months hard work of getting up 5 times a week doing a job for 8-10 hours a day all gone in usually no time at all. Unfortunately for me this is when the real trouble would start. When this would happen I would instantly turn to payday loans to essentially replace my lost wage to live on for that month. I would usually be fairly good I will still gamble but I would try and keep some for getting through the month regarding transport and food etc. Of course the time would eventually roll round where I would need to pay the high interest loan off and it would be sidelined as I had just been paid and the mentality was I can win the money back, pay off the loan and life would be good back to square one. The reality is, the true meaning of square one is something that no real gambling addict has experienced for years. The average person would be fairly unhappy living pay cheque to pay cheque month after month and having no savings, where as I would bite your hand off to be back in that situation debt free and a clean slate.
Unfortunately for me I was extremely good friends with a very disciplined person who I looked up to for all things gambling, the truth is he was a winner and he used to tell me " A good gambler is judged on how they lose not how they win " If you can lose money and accept it and go to your bed knowing you placed a good bet or even a bad bet and it lost and put it behind you and go again fresh the next day you are doing something right. I on the other hand was the chase your loses type. I could not face losing money and it was either win it back there and then or lose the lot and deal with that instead.
My story I feel is a little different from others because at one point I actually had success where I was not working and quite literally gambling for a living (if you can believe that). I essentially saved up and won money creating a fairly large bankroll. I had a spreadsheet where I documented every bet I placed, unit sizes, odds and all the rest and the truth is it worked. I have been an avid follower of a very niche sport all my life my knowledge is very high regarding that particular sport if you mix that in with when I discovered bookmakers starting to offering odds on it that was that I knew my goal. I had a little group where I would post the picks to and obviously done well from it. I experienced having accounts limited and closed by bookmakers while getting the emails saying " The traders have decided as a business decision we regret to inform you we are closing/limiting your account ". Now when you receive emails like this it does something to your ego, you absolutely know you are hurting their business plan of having a full customer base of losers and they no longer want your business. I began starting buying accounts off friends in order to access specific bookmakers so I could place my bets etc. It was a great time and a very successful one. Sadly it did not last, when I was doing this 95% of my time was spent researching, reviewing footage and genuinely digging for all information I could get. The other 5% was looking for the best available odds and placing my bet. I was much more sensible with my stakes because I had a clear head and a free mind to actually think correctly on what I was doing.
Not long after this I began ultimately spending more money than I was making causing a sort of panic to make more but instead of putting more effort into studying my niche sport which I was consistently winning on and looking for a good spot, I would turn to chance and pure luck. Goals bets in football on any random game inplay, Roulette, Blackjack etc etc etc. I would happily place an £800 spin on roulette yet my maximum bet on my niche sport would be £125. A pick where I would be on the value side with a genuine edge against the bookmaker, a bet where I would be placing it at odds of 6/4(2.50) and the bet would close at 8/11(1.72). Utter madness. I put this down to the state of mind I was in. When I was researching I was not getting drawn in by a gambling website I had my little plan in place and I carried it out. I was on gambling websites briefly to place the bet and then log off. But when I was sat on betting sites looking for a bet it would just completely spiral out of control.
I am currently 27 years old and I feel like I have been gambling CONSTANTLY for almost 10 years, which sadly I ultimately have been. I am in debt and although coming out and admitting it to people who care about me there are still secrets I cannot share regarding money owed out etc. I have decimated my credit score, have registered with almost every bookmaker going and I have closed multiple bank accounts over the years that were absolutely littered with betting transactions. I recently found an old statement from 2012 and it was such a surreal situation thinking what age I was back then and yet my bank statements look identical to this day.
I have not posted this for sympathy or anything like that the main reason for posting today is mainly to help other people and for closure. I always take everything with a pinch of salt online like most do but believe me when I say I have experienced every aspect of gambling. The lowest lows of losing, the highest highs of winning big(lucky), the thrill of being extremely disciplined and focused on making money consistently, closing accounts and saying never ever again to finally having accounts limited as mentioned previously for winning.
The bottom line when it comes to gambling is you just simply CANNOT win over your life time so why are you doing it? You are essentially paying a direct debit throughout your life to all these different betting companies for a bit of dopamine to be released in your brain. I manged to clear my debt and had about £10,000 saved £5,000 bankroll and was on cloud 9 and look where I am at now. I have £100 in my bank for the essentials and about £10,000 in debt just 3 odd years later. I have carried on for so long to try and re-live the dream I thought I had but the hard hitting reality is even when I was doing well I was constantly fighting against being banned from shops and having accounts online limited and closed. Even when you win you cannot win for long so it is pointless. I am a risk taker at heart and can be very impulsive which for a gambler is a non starter. It will NEVER end well if you have these types of traits as you could do well for months or years being disciplined but one day that IMPULSE will burst through your body and overcome and ruin all your hard work.
This might come across like I am bitter about the situation but I am not. I actually feel a real sense of relief typing this up today, usually when I read these sorts of posts from other users and it is day 1 for them for quitting gambling I skip over it because I think yeah, you will be back at it tomorrow or when you next get money, not very supportive but it is the truth none the less for most I feel.
One thing that is happening right now within the gambling industry is safer gambling adverts especially in the UK. I realised that what they are doing is the same as what sugary food product companies done with regards to their food stuffs being deemed unhealthy they were ultimately asked to remove certain products but instead they turned it round as said they would introduce more healthier, lower sugafat alternatives instead which resulted in just adding more of their products to the market. That is EXACTLY what the gambling firms are doing just now they have been told about the harm it is doing and have been told to essentially lower the amount of exposure to children/adults alike with these adverts and their response is not to reduce the amount but to introduce safer gambling when the fun stops, stop adverts just increasing the amount of times their logo appears on your screen through multiple more adverts.
Anyway, I would like to think at least one person reads this and it makes them think twice. Maybe somebody who is 18 and has just began gambling or maybe somebody who is similar ages to myself or even older who can relate to my experience in anyway.
If you have managed to read all of this then well done, If I came across a post browsing on this after a loss and seen it was this length I would not bother, I would skip to the end like my impulsive personality would command me to do which is a little reminder as to why I am posting this in the first place being a compulsive and impatience gambler.
To end on a positive note my gambling journey comes to an end today. I am 27 years old and have been at it from 17 and enough is ultimately enough for me. My new goal has been laid out prior to writing this in regards to avoiding temptation, paying off what I owe and what to do with my wages going forward.
I wish anybody reading this who is struggling all the best and if you have any intention to quit and have stumbled across this sub-reddit then it is time to quit or else you would not be here and you know it. As for anybody who reads through this and still gambles themselves then maybe take a look at what you are doing and if you can honestly look yourself in the mirror and admit you have no problem then great and good luck with what you are doing.
If you want to maybe ask more about my situation in relation to your own, have any questions or are just looking for somebody to listen to your story then feel free to message me.
Thanks,
LD.
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10 years of gambling addiction comes to a close.

Hello,
I thought I would essentially start my journey by posting here so I can get my thoughts written out in black and white. Ultimately my journey began fairly common to others in the UK. I was 17 years of age starting to become interested in going to football with friends and putting on accumulators mostly multiple £1 bets or the odd £5 ones never spending more than £10-£15 pounds over the course of the weekend. Like most I have the fond memory of winning big and still had the screenshot of it until recently when I moved onto betting online when the gambling apps started coming out thick and fast rather than going into the bookmaker shops themselves. £2.50 I had placed on a 250/1 double and at the age of 18 I thought I had won the lottery I did not gamble all the money away I spent it enjoying myself and going out with friends and continued spending small with gambling.
Not long after this it turned into going to the casino every other weekend for something to eat, drink and of course bet. I remember going with a few friends and one of them was starting with £800 which he had in cash. I had never in my life seen this much money in cash before and was just blown away by it. I cannot even remember on the night if he won or lost money all I can remember is that wad of cash and thinking that is what I want to be like and be able to afford to bet that amount. Long story short of course my friend at the time ended up become extremely addicted to gambling as I realised over the years to come.
Roll on 5 years later I have lost endless amounts of money by throwing away my wages every single day. Gambling online week after week, month after month and in turn year after year. Some of the moments that stick out in my mind were when I would sit up and wait for pay to come into my bank at 02:00am when I had work the next day and it would be lost within an hour or 2, an entire months hard work of getting up 5 times a week doing a job for 8-10 hours a day all gone in usually no time at all. Unfortunately for me this is when the real trouble would start. When this would happen I would instantly turn to payday loans to essentially replace my lost wage to live on for that month. I would usually be fairly good I will still gamble but I would try and keep some for getting through the month regarding transport and food etc. Of course the time would eventually roll round where I would need to pay the high interest loan off and it would be sidelined as I had just been paid and the mentality was I can win the money back, pay off the loan and life would be good back to square one. The reality is, the true meaning of square one is something that no real gambling addict has experienced for years. The average person would be fairly unhappy living pay cheque to pay cheque month after month and having no savings, where as I would bite your hand off to be back in that situation debt free and a clean slate.
Unfortunately for me I was extremely good friends with a very disciplined person who I looked up to for all things gambling, the truth is he was a winner and he used to tell me " A good gambler is judged on how they lose not how they win " If you can lose money and accept it and go to your bed knowing you placed a good bet or even a bad bet and it lost and put it behind you and go again fresh the next day you are doing something right. I on the other hand was the chase your loses type. I could not face losing money and it was either win it back there and then or lose the lot and deal with that instead.
My story I feel is a little different from others because at one point I actually had success where I was not working and quite literally gambling for a living (if you can believe that). I essentially saved up and won money creating a fairly large bankroll. I had a spreadsheet where I documented every bet I placed, unit sizes, odds and all the rest and the truth is it worked. I have been an avid follower of a very niche sport all my life my knowledge is very high regarding that particular sport if you mix that in with when I discovered bookmakers starting to offering odds on it that was that I knew my goal. I had a little group where I would post the picks to and obviously done well from it. I experienced having accounts limited and closed by bookmakers while getting the emails saying " The traders have decided as a business decision we regret to inform you we are closing/limiting your account ". Now when you receive emails like this it does something to your ego, you absolutely know you are hurting their business plan of having a full customer base of losers and they no longer want your business. I began starting buying accounts off friends in order to access specific bookmakers so I could place my bets etc. It was a great time and a very successful one. Sadly it did not last, when I was doing this 95% of my time was spent researching, reviewing footage and genuinely digging for all information I could get. The other 5% was looking for the best available odds and placing my bet. I was much more sensible with my stakes because I had a clear head and a free mind to actually think correctly on what I was doing.
Not long after this I began ultimately spending more money than I was making causing a sort of panic to make more but instead of putting more effort into studying my niche sport which I was consistently winning on and looking for a good spot, I would turn to chance and pure luck. Goals bets in football on any random game inplay, Roulette, Blackjack etc etc etc. I would happily place an £800 spin on roulette yet my maximum bet on my niche sport would be £125. A pick where I would be on the value side with a genuine edge against the bookmaker, a bet where I would be placing it at odds of 6/4(2.50) and the bet would close at 8/11(1.72). Utter madness. I put this down to the state of mind I was in. When I was researching I was not getting drawn in by a gambling website I had my little plan in place and I carried it out. I was on gambling websites briefly to place the bet and then log off. But when I was sat on betting sites looking for a bet it would just completely spiral out of control.
I am currently 27 years old and I feel like I have been gambling CONSTANTLY for almost 10 years, which sadly I ultimately have been. I am in debt and although coming out and admitting it to people who care about me there are still secrets I cannot share regarding money owed out etc. I have decimated my credit score, have registered with almost every bookmaker going and I have closed multiple bank accounts over the years that were absolutely littered with betting transactions. I recently found an old statement from 2012 and it was such a surreal situation thinking what age I was back then and yet my bank statements look identical to this day.
I have not posted this for sympathy or anything like that the main reason for posting today is mainly to help other people and for closure. I always take everything with a pinch of salt online like most do but believe me when I say I have experienced every aspect of gambling. The lowest lows of losing, the highest highs of winning big(lucky), the thrill of being extremely disciplined and focused on making money consistently, closing accounts and saying never ever again to finally having accounts limited as mentioned previously for winning.
The bottom line when it comes to gambling is you just simply CANNOT win over your life time so why are you doing it? You are essentially paying a direct debit throughout your life to all these different betting companies for a bit of dopamine to be released in your brain. I manged to clear my debt and had about £10,000 saved £5,000 bankroll and was on cloud 9 and look where I am at now. I have £100 in my bank for the essentials and about £10,000 in debt just 3 odd years later. I have carried on for so long to try and re-live the dream I thought I had but the hard hitting reality is even when I was doing well I was constantly fighting against being banned from shops and having accounts online limited and closed. Even when you win you cannot win for long so it is pointless. I am a risk taker at heart and can be very impulsive which for a gambler is a non starter. It will NEVER end well if you have these types of traits as you could do well for months or years being disciplined but one day that IMPULSE will burst through your body and overcome and ruin all your hard work.
This might come across like I am bitter about the situation but I am not. I actually feel a real sense of relief typing this up today, usually when I read these sorts of posts from other users and it is day 1 for them for quitting gambling I skip over it because I think yeah, you will be back at it tomorrow or when you next get money, not very supportive but it is the truth none the less for most I feel.
One thing that is happening right now within the gambling industry is safer gambling adverts especially in the UK. I realised that what they are doing is the same as what sugary food product companies done with regards to their food stuffs being deemed unhealthy they were ultimately asked to remove certain products but instead they turned it round as said they would introduce more healthier, lower sugafat alternatives instead which resulted in just adding more of their products to the market. That is EXACTLY what the gambling firms are doing just now they have been told about the harm it is doing and have been told to essentially lower the amount of exposure to children/adults alike with these adverts and their response is not to reduce the amount but to introduce safer gambling when the fun stops, stop adverts just increasing the amount of times their logo appears on your screen through multiple more adverts.
Anyway, I would like to think at least one person reads this and it makes them think twice. Maybe somebody who is 18 and has just began gambling or maybe somebody who is similar ages to myself or even older who can relate to my experience in anyway.
If you have managed to read all of this then well done, If I came across a post browsing on this after a loss and seen it was this length I would not bother, I would skip to the end like my impulsive personality would command me to do which is a little reminder as to why I am posting this in the first place being a compulsive and impatience gambler.
To end on a positive note my gambling journey comes to an end today. I am 27 years old and have been at it from 17 and enough is ultimately enough for me. My new goal has been laid out prior to writing this in regards to avoiding temptation, paying off what I owe and what to do with my wages going forward.
I wish anybody reading this who is struggling all the best and if you have any intention to quit and have stumbled across this sub-reddit then it is time to quit or else you would not be here and you know it. As for anybody who reads through this and still gambles themselves then maybe take a look at what you are doing and if you can honestly look yourself in the mirror and admit you have no problem then great and good luck with what you are doing.
If you want to maybe ask more about my situation in relation to your own, have any questions or are just looking for somebody to listen to your story then feel free to message me.
Thanks,
LD.
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A long, angry, ill-advised, half-joking tirade against Pittsburgh and the Steelers.

Warning: Grown-up language TLDR: Fuck the Steelers and everyone that roots for them.
NOTE despite this tirade, I actually think Pittsburgh is a beautiful city and I'm proud to have served with plenty of Steelers fans who were nothing short of kind, selfless, and good-humored. I hope they'll forgive me for this.
Fuck this waste of a city. What version of God, across all quantum possibilities and religions long forgotten, thought it wise to flood a swath of pristine appalachian wilderness with hundreds of thousands of unemployed factory-workers twirling yellow towels crusted with the seed of their fathers and their fathers before them? What purpose could this franchise ever serve except to remind other teams what urine and sweat smell like when neither has ever been washed out of an 80 year-old bumblebee costume? Pittsburgh is a soot-filled labyrinth built to house Art Rooney's half-aborted minotaur children. Fuck the Steelers and fuck everyone that roots for them.
Pittsburgh is just West Virginia wearing lipstick to hide the cold sores. Pittsburgh was founded by colonial toilet ghosts who performed Andrew Jackson-style bukkake on the native population and the only solace I take is that whatever indian curse was bestowed that day still seems to be in effect. The only thing they ever did right was admitting that steel was dead at which point they promptly sold their toothless grandparents off and brought in the only thing that could pose a greater threat to their children - tech bros. I cannot wait for one of their bridges to collapse under the combined weight of their self-driving cars and overweight bloggers only to be rebuilt out of the mountain of untested rape-kits they're sure to continue accumulating.
This team is the absolute worst. They lost in the playoffs to the Jaguars. The goddamn Jaguars before they were even moderately good. That's the equivalent of having to clean up after a friend's bachelor party you weren't even invited to just to find out that you still caught hepatitis C. That is like showing up for a casting call with Harvey Weinstein and still getting passed over for the role of Quentin Tarantino's newest foot fetish. That is like staying completely celibate before marriage only to hear your husband use the phrase "tig-ole bitties" during your consummation night. At least this franchise used to be open about their desire to craft a team made entirely out of 150-pound Irish-Catholic linebackers. Now that secret is just a racist wish-upon-a-star that gets passed down by increasingly inbred generations of hill people who definitely use the word "uppity" every time an athlete asks to be fairly compensated for their efforts and maybe not shot by the police. Honestly, this is the team that killed Ryan Shazier by asking him to play zone defense alone on every single down while Tom Brady methodically carved them up like a turkey. It is 100% understandable that he would try and tackle people using only his neck after suffering that. The worst part is that this team is still waiting to put Shazier onto the field as soon as he can walk unassisted only to watch him instantly sever the two pieces of twine that are holding his spinal cord in place. Mike Tomlin will captive bolt stun him right between the eyes Anton Chigur-style and then this team will somehow turn him into an emblem of courage instead of the cautionary tale of completely-preventable violence that this sport really is.
I have zero sympathy for whichever pimple-faced fraternity pledge lost the game of limp biscuit and has to wear the Steely McBeam costume this year. He 100% deserved it and frankly there weren't enough men in that circle. Jesus Christ, the team didn't even need 4chan and the alt-right to sabotage their mascot naming process for them. All of those people already lived in Pittsburgh. Because of course they fucking did. The "beam" in the name came from someone's husband whose favorite beverage was Jim Beam. Not favorite liquor. Favorite beverage. Fuck this town and everyone in it.
Fuck the Steelers and their bloated Will Ferrel-lookalike quarterback. The amount of unconsensual sex Big Ben has is equaled only by the sheer volume of empty McDonalds bags that trace the path between his sunken bed frame and ruined toilet bowl. Motorcycle accidents can't happen frequently enough. This hotdog-chugger can't wait to retire right up until the exact second when his team begins planning for his departure at which time he transforms back from cinderella's pumpkin into a petulant child who flaps his roast beef lips to every news outlet about how terribly the franchise is treating him. Never mind the fact that this team's ownership will abandon their wives, sister-wives, and daughter-wives in the delivery room every single time he gets his gangrenous penis stuck in another foam pool noodle. This guy gets paid to eat blue cheese dressing by the fistful 30 weeks a year and somehow he's the victim? The man only has two brain cells and they're so busy sodomizing each other that he can't even close his mouth when he breaths. He probably has wet farts even when he's dehydrated. This man's idea of a romantic gesture is pretending he can't hear the word "no" screamed at him and on the off-chance that he isn't traumatizing some preteen he's making her to watch him force whole turkey legs down his gullet pelican-style between trips to the liquor store. His greatest legacy in life will be getting a sandwich named after him that's 90% french fries and 10% perpetuating the cycle of abuse. I refer back to my comment about the motorcycles.
Fuck the endless victim complex that pervades this garbage heap. Fuck the pure saltwater tears that spring out every single time a ref isn't on their payroll. Just throw more money at them! It's not like the Steelers are about to spend it to retain their players. Shit, they could give the officials an envelope of cash while the cameras were rolling and nobody would be surprised. For fuck's sake, Mike Tomlin walked onto the field to trip Jacoby Jones when he was about to return a punt and the refs did fucking nothing until well after the game had ended. Jesus Christ, I bet he forces them to make eye contact when they blow him too. Don't get me started on Mike fucking Tomlin.
No, you know what? Let's talk about Mike. How is this guy, who made his bones in the NFL as a defensive backs coach, not on the hook for having a secondary weaker than Stephen Miller's hairline? This team will give 400 yards to the first quarterback who flashes them a flirty look then turn around and fire their offensive coordinator and hang a "mission accomplished" banner. His team defends the pass worse than Kevin Spacey defended his pedophilia. The Steelers cheated in a fucking preseason game. A meaningless preseason game! This team is the porn parody of the New England Patriots. Mike Tomlin's team won a game by 25 points and he still felt so much like the victim that he complained until they fined him. His best player snapped his neck wide open and Tomlin is pissed that all his other players can't openly shiv the rest of the AFC North. Emmanuel Sanders once pretended to be injured just to buy time. I guaran-fucking-tee you that Tomlin taught him that. His only redeeming qualities are drafting wide receivers and never once changing his facial hair. You could count the cellulite rings (plural) in his thighs to see how old he is and you can count his Super Bowl ring (singular) to see whether he's even remotely successful at maximizing what is easily the most talented and morally reprehensible roster a coach has ever been in charge of. Barely. Barely is the answer. He has absolutely used the phrase "flea-flicker"as a sexual innuendo and frankly, that should carry a jail sentence with it. Tomlin emboldened the worst football fans on earth by giving them a glimmer of hope and they'll one day cannibalize him headset and all because walking to the other end of the food court is too far for the morbidly obese cult that calls themselves "Steelers Nation".
Everyone in this fan base deserves to be carjacked repeatedly. Their fucking accent is the equivalent of throwing a brick into a washer during spin-cycle. I'd rather let Gilbert Godfried scream erotic fanfiction directly into my ear canal than have to hear the word "yinz" ever again. The road to hell is paved with the teeth of Steelers fans; all of which, I know for a fact, were knocked out by other Steelers fans. Every bar fight there begins with the phrase "No, your mom is the whore!" The official pastime in Pittsburgh is cashing a dead person's Social Security check. A Pittsburgh annulment is just a mobile home cut into two pieces. This city was the inspiration for the the third Godfather movie. Jar Jar Binks, the Menendez brothers, and probably Hitler were all conceived there. A Pittsburgh hot tub is just cold water and thick farts. This city is the geographic epicenter of a venn diagram comparing broken dreams and substance abuse denial. I wish hurricanes lasted all year and made it further inland.
Fuck the Steelers.
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Gambling Addiction

I was 23 and had it all! A great job, had purchased my mother a house and was on the mortgage, a girlfriend of 2 years, we were saving for a house and on the verge of getting engaged.
Then my addiction kicked in. I don't know what triggered it, it just happened. Started small and gradually got worse. It all started with sports betting, I'd occasionally bet on the football just for fun the odd accumulator here and there. In my role at the time gambling was a huge part of the culture, so many of the guys were doing it. Have a feeling this may be what contributed to my problem.
Addiction 1 - Sports Betting
Anyway, it escalated from football onto tennis. I was literally betting on who was going to win the next serve or game! This is what got me hooked. One night I managed to turn £200 into £1,500... and proceeded to lose the lot the very next morning. Just didn't know when to stop! This got worse and worse, and I ended up betting in excess of £100 per point.
In the end I had this feeling the games were fixed! There was a pattern where the favourite would lose the first game, be on the verge of losing the second or third and then all of a sudden make a sudden comeback and win when the odds were all against them.
It was a game involving John Isner. I'll never forget it, at the time I was about £7k in debt, with £1.5k in my betting account. John Isner was on the verge of losing, but he was breaking every serve in the match at odds of 7/1. I started betting on him breaking the serve, turned £1.5k into over £12k... I was over the moon. Withdrew £11k, left £1k in the account and thought I was clear.
This was not the end. I lost and proceeded to eat into the £11k. From that point onwards I was well and truly addicted, 11 months later I had a mental breakdown in front of my girlfriend and parents. £40k in debt but promising to them I would get out and change my life. Soon after the UK released a scheme that would allow you to self exclude from every gambling website, this successfully curbed my addiction, although I did still have a few relapses.
17 months later, November 2017. I finally had my first month's wages, I was debt free and life seemed to be back to normal. My girlfriend had stuck by me and we were starting to look for a house!
Addiction 2 - Cryptocurrency
All was great except one of my friends mentioned to me to buy some bitcoin it was going to boom. So in the first month I researched bitcoin like crazy... having first heard about it in 2013 I felt I simply couldn't miss out on this opportunity. I stumbled across altcoins and decided to invest in Tron. £1k, turned into £5k in under a month. My addiction triggered all over again. Bitcoin proceeded to rise to £20k from £10k, the market was bullish. Then the bitcoin crash happened and over the proceeding months it fell to £3k.
During that time I was made aware of a platform called 'Bitmex'. Whereby I could leverage my original investment by upto 100x. This is what ruined my life, at one point I had three bitcoins in the account and again within two weeks they were all gone!
Fastforward 9 months, September 2018. My girlfriend and I were scheduled to fly to the Chicago to drive route 66 from start to finish. I broke down again, this time in £20k worth of debt, I simply couldn't handle it.
This time around my girlfriend left me, I understand and had been expecting it... who would want to waste their life with an addict that simply didn't seem to want to help himself?
My parents were on the verge of disowning me, this was what I thought was going to be my lowest. My parents decided to help me, they took control of my finances. Got new loans out to pay for the mess I had created, and this is the part that kills me.
I betrayed my own parents in order to continue with my addiction. At the end of it all upto £50k in debt, all thanks to Bitmex. It killed me, I couldn't self exclude and the company simply refused to do anything about it. I felt helpless to this brain draining addiction.
No idea how but I kicked the habit over time. In March 2019 I moved out of the family home I helped to purchase and moved 5 hours north for a new job, in a new town.
We had a plan, I was throwing every single penny I had at the debt. It was slowly going down and I was happy!
Addiction 3 - stocks and shares
At this point I had my own allowance to live on. Instead of living a normal life I saved every penny, lived off the cheapest of microwave meals and was putting everything into my share portfolio. I was investing in cryptocurrency with low leverge and doing well, this is what I knew!
Then, news broke that Thomas Cook was going bust. I thought that there's no way the government would let such a large company go into administration. I had a friend that worked there in the accounts department, decided to reach out to him. He gave me information that the company was set to be recovered and they had nothing to worry about.
I invested at the lowest of prices! HE WAS WRONG.
I proceeeded to lose my entire portfolio on this one mistake. For over 6 months I had put everything into this portfolio which amassed to just over £6k.
September 2019. This crippled me, I was addicted again. I proceeded to take out loans and max credit cards in order to get my portfolio back. I then decided to short WHSmith as it was at it's all time high. It rose and rose, I closed my position losing over £3k. This was over the course of three months and in that time I got a new job and moved home.
Christmas once again, can't buy my family presents as I've no money. Life sucked, I didn't know what to do - there was nothing I could do!
Fastforward to March 2020. I'm now in £37k worth of debt, my parents know about £31k of it.
Coronavirus is really starting to affect the world. Little did I know it would rock the stock market so much. I discovered oil, a reasonable price of $32. It had just crashed from $50.
I thought surely it can't go any lower. It could... I lost my entire portfolio, then took out my final £4k loan. Proceeded to lose the lot in oil. By this time oil was priced as low as $7.
I scrambled to throw my last £100 at the account. It bounced right as I bought at around $8. Upto $16... all the way up I kept closing and reopening. Within 8/9 hours my account had a balance of £24k.
Yes!! I could pay off all of my hidden debt, give my Mum £10k to pay off that and I'd be left in debt of circa £20k. I withdrew £2.5k and left the balance ready to withdraw the next day.
The next morning I went to work. Normal as can be, nothing invested just £20k sitting there. I made the mistake of investing more in oil. I got greedy!
£15k... £21k... £15k... £10k... £4.8k... £6k... £3k... £2.2k... gone.
Just like that, the entire balance gone. I was devastated. My last £2.5k in the bank, deposited... gone.
Wages, deposited... gone.
Sold my laptop, deposited... gone.
Addiction is real the worst thing you can do is to make a big gain... what follows is often devastating and life destroying.
I'm now in £42k worth of debt. Have admitted everything to my parents and am now working my way out of this mess.
I will work towards a risk free life, a life where I'm not part of any get rich quick schemes. A life where I just work hard, live normally and love myself for who I am.
I've lost money, a partner and a lot of sleep over the last few years. There's one thing I'll never get back, TIME.
I'm now on a journey to find myself, kick these awful habits and get my life back on track.
I'm now 26, have 17 months left of my debt sentence and this has been my three year hell.
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In honor of Babe Ruth’s 125th birthday, here’s the All-Guys Nicknamed Babe Team. And at last an answer to the question you’ve always wondered: Who had more bWAR, Babe Ruth, or the combined total of the 30 other players called Babe?

Happy birthday, Babe Ruth! The Big Fella would have turned 125 years old today, and if he were somehow with us I bet he could still turn around a fastball.
In honor of the Babe, what would the All-Babe Team look like? And who had more Wins Above Replacement according to Baseball Reference (bWAR): Babe Ruth, or the combined total of the 30 other guys who also had the nickname Babe?
I'm not including the various players with nicknames derived from Baby, the 1950s player Loren Babe, or Samuel Byrd -- who, as a frequent pinch-runner and defensive replacement for the Bambino, had the nickname "Babe Ruth's Legs." These are just players nicknamed Babe — whether in honor of Ruth or for unrelated or unknown reasons — according to Baseball Reference.
Lineup: CF Babe Ganzel: 0.4 bWAR SS Babe Pinelli: 5.7 bWAR RF Babe Herman: 40.3 bWAR LF Babe Ruth: 162.1 bWAR DH Babe Phelps: 14.0 bWAR 1B Babe Young: 11.3 bWAR 3B Babe Dahlgren: 4.2 bWAR 2B Babe Ellison: -0.9 bWAR C Babe Roof: 3.3 bWAR
Ganzel had a career .378 OBP so we'll bat him lead-off. Pinelli -- who was more of a third baseman, but did have 71 games at shortstop -- is your old-school bunt/slap hitter in the 2 hole. Herman should see a lot of fastballs hitting in front of the Colossus of Clout. Of course Ruth hit third for the Murderer's Row Yankees — that’s why he wore #3 — but we'll bat him clean-up here. Phelps will start against righties, but we may have to platoon him. Young should flourish as the six hitter. Dahlgren was primarily a first baseman, but we need him at third. Ellison was a terrible hitter but we don't have another second baseman on the roster. Roof is your typical good glove/bad bat catcher so we'll bat him 9th.
Bench: 1B Babe Borton: 3.8 bWAR OF Babe Twombly: 0.3 bWAR C Babe Wilber: 0.2 bWAR C Babe Towne: 0.1 bWAR 1B Babe Danzig: 0.0 bWAR OF Babe Klee: 0.0 bWAR OF Babe Bigelow: -0.2 bWAR 1B Babe Butka: -0.4 bWAR OF Babe Martin: -0.6 bWAR OF Babe Barna: -0.7 bWAR OF Babe Nelson: -1.0 bWAR
Borton’s really the only Babe on the bench we’d want to use as a pinch hitter.
Pitching Staff: P Babe Adams: 52.2 bWAR P Babe Ruth: 20.3 bWAR P Babe Marchildon: 9.5 bWAR P Babe Klieman: 5.1 bWAR P Babe Birrer: 0.9 bWAR P Babe Meers: 0.9 bWAR P Babe Linke: 0.9 bWAR P Babe Doty: 0.5 bWAR P Babe Davis: 0.2 bWAR P Babe Sherman: -0.2 bWAR P Babe Picone: -0.3 bWAR
Our top two are formidable, with the right-handed Adams and the lefty Ruth, but it gets ugly quick. Marchildon had 162 starts in the bigs, going 68-75 with a respectable 3.93 ERA, but 5.1 BB/9. Kleiman was 26-28 with 33 saves and a 3.49 ERA. After that... well... maybe we'll go with the "opener" strategy.
Now lets take a look at them, Babe by Babe:
OF/P Babe Ruth: 182.4 bWAR
According to Baseball Reference, The Bambino had 162.1 bWAR as a batter and 20.3 bWAR as a pitcher... which is the second-highest pitching bWAR of any Babe in baseball history. Almost all his value as a pitcher came in just two seasons, 1916 (8.8) and 1917 (6.5) -- ages 21 and 22. In those two seasons, he had a combined 47-25 record with 650.0 IP, 1.88 ERA, and 1.077 WHIP.
George Herman Ruth -- who usually was called "Jidge" by his teammates, a funny mispronunciation of George -- picked up the nickname Babe when he was an 18-year-old prospect with the minor league Baltimore Orioles in 1913. There are several origin stories for the famous nickname... some say because he had a round baby face, others because he was so naive and rambunctious he was like an overgrown baby, and some because Orioles manager Jack Dunn doted on him like his own child.
People usually think of Babe Ruth as a right fielder, but he played almost as many games in left (1,048) as he did in right (1,130)... not to mention 74 games in center field, 32 at first base, and 163 at pitcher. In fact, Ruth almost always played left field except in stadiums that had a big left field -- like Yankee Stadium! Almost all of Ruth's career games in right field were at Yankee Stadium, Cleveland's League Park, and Washington D.C.'s Griffith Stadium. Everywhere else, he almost always played left field.
P Babe Adams: 52.2 bWAR
The second-best Babe was a star pitcher for the Pittsburgh Pirates during the deadball era, going 194-140 with a 2.76 ERA and 1.092 WHIP over a 19-year career. He was renowned for his control, walking just 430 men in 2,995.1 career innings — 1.29 BB/9. To put that in perspective, Greg Maddux had a 1.79 BB/9. Charles Adams was known as Babe several years before George Herman got the nickname. He picked it up in the minors in 1907 or 1908, supposedly because the female fans in Louisville were so enamored with his beautiful baby face.
OF/1B Babe Herman: 40.3 bWAR
Like Ruth and Adams, Floyd Herman picked up the nickname Babe in the minors. In 1921, the 18-year-old rookie with the Edmonton Eskimos in the Western Canada League introduced himself as Lefty, but his manager didn't like that -- too many players already named Lefty. After seeing Herman’s power in spring training, the giddy manager said: “You’re going to be my Babe,” as in Ruth. Over a 13-year MLB career, Herman hit .324/.383/.532 with 181 HR and 997 RBI. Such great numbers, why only 40.3 bWAR? Herman was a famously inept baserunner, and the source of an epic line from Ring Lardner: "Babe Herman did not triple into a triple play, but he doubled into a double play, which is the next best thing." He was even worse as a fielder -- in 1928, many decades before Jose Canseco, a fly ball bounced off his head. Years later, a sportswriter asked Herman about the play, and he said the story was all wrong: "The ball actually hit me in the shoulder!” I'm... not sure that's better. His defensive WAR was -9.7!
C Babe Phelps: 14.0 bWAR
The 6'2", 225-pound Ernest Phelps got the nickname Babe because of his resemblance, both in terms of body size and his face, to Ruth. Like Ruth, put on weight as he got older... by the end of his career, he was sometimes called "Blimp." A left-handed hitting catcher, Phelps hit a respectable .310/.362/.472 over an 11-year career.
1B Babe Young: 11.3 bWAR
Like several others on this list, Norman Robert Young lost some prime years to World War II. From 1939 to 1942, ages 23 through 26, the first baseman hit .277/.359/.454 in 424 games for a .813 OPS, accounting for 8.9 of his career 11.3 bWAR. He missed the next three seasons as he was in the U.S. Coast Guard, returning in 1946 at the age of 30. I can't find the origin story of his nickname, but as a left-handed slugger who played for Fordham University in the Bronx in the 1930s, I can guess it was in honor of the Bambino.
P Babe Marchildon: 9.5 bWAR
There are several people on this list who we can't even guess as to how they picked up the nickname Babe. This is definitely one of them. Babe was a most unlikely moniker for Philip Joseph Marchildon, a 5'10", 170-pound right-handed Canadian pitcher who lived a very tough life. Born in Ontario, he didn't play baseball until he was in high school, then got a job working in a nickel mine. At the age of 25, pitching for a semi-pro team, he went to a try-out with the minor league Toronto Maple Leafs; Marchildon struck out seven of the nine batters he faced, then drove back to Sudbury to resume life as a miner. As the story goes, the manager drove all the way to Sudbury to find him, dragged him out of the elevator just before it descended into the depths, and forced him right then and there to sign a baseball contract. Presumably because of his time as a miner, Marchildon had incredible strength in his fingers, enabling him to throw a fastball with remarkable movement... but he also struggled to control it, and often was among the league leaders in walks, wild pitches, and hit batters. In 1942, Marchildon joined the Royal Canadian Air Force as a tail gunner on a bomber. Two years later, his bomber was shot down over Denmark. Marchildon and only one other crewmember survived; they were captured by the Germans and sent to Stalag Luft III, the prison camp made famous by the movie The Great Escape. After the war, Marchildon returned to baseball, but those who had known him before and after said the war had changed him, and he was long tormented by nightmares about what he'd endured. Marchildon, who went 68-75 with a 3.93 ERA and 1.456 WHIP in a nine-year career, is a member both the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame and the Canadian Sports Hall of Fame.
IF Babe Pinelli: 5.7 bWAR
If only umpires accumulated bWAR! Rinaldo Angelo Paolinelli (he would later change it to the more American-sounding Ralph Pinelli) was born in San Francisco in 1895 -- the same years as Ruth -- to Italian immigrants. (His father was killed by a falling telephone pole in the Great 1906 San Francisco Earthquake.) As a boy, he loved to play baseball, but the older boys wouldn't let him, and taunted him as "Babe" (as in baby) when he cried about it. Eventually they let him play, and he proved to be good enough that he would have an eight-year career in the bigs, hitting .276/.328/.346 in 2,617 ABs primarily as a third baseman for the Reds. After his career ended, Pinelli became an umpire; it's believed he was the first Italian-American umpire in MLB history when he made his debut in 1935. Pinelli was behind the plate for Don Larsen's perfect Game 5 in the 1956 World Series, and retired after Game 7. He wrote the first autobiography by an umpire, Mr. Ump, and was known as "The Lou Gehrig of Umpires" because he claimed he never missed a game in his 22-year career. He wasn't always on time, though: In 1941, Pinelli's umpiring crew was taking a boat from New York to Boston, and got lost in the fog. The first inning was umpired by the players, but the umpires arrived for the 2nd inning. Boston's manager was Casey Stengel, and from then on whenever Pinelli missed a call, Stengel would holler: "You're still fogbound!"
P Babe Klieman: 5.1 bWAR
We don't know why Edward Frederick Klieman was called Babe, but he also was called Specs and you can see why. Klieman was a swing-man for the Indians in the 1940s, going 26-28 with 33 saves and a 3.49 ERA in eight seasons.
1B Babe Dahlgren: 4.2 bWAR
Ellsworth Tenney Dahlgren was born in San Francisco in 1912, two years before Ruth made his MLB debut. His stepfather dubbed him "Babe" after the Sultan of Swat. Dahlgren actually followed in Ruth's footsteps, making his debut for the Red Sox in 1935 and then a few years later joining the rival New York Yankees, and later in his career played for the Boston Braves. Dahlgren famously replaced Lou Gehrig at first base when the Iron Horse ended his consecutive games played streak. He hit .261/.329/.383 over his 12-year career.
1B Babe Borton: 3.8 bWAR
A deadball era first baseman, it's unknown how William Baker Borton was dubbed Babe, but he was known by that nickname in 1913, a year before Ruth. A seldom-used reserve for the White Sox and Yankees, Borton jumped to the Federal League in 1915. That season, playing for the St. Louis Terriers, he would hit a respectable .286 with a .395 OBP (leading the league with 92 walks!). After the Federal League folded, Borton returned to MLB and would hit .224/.350/.306 in just 98 ABs, and then like many other former Federal League players was released. He would keep playing professionally in the Pacific Coast League, but in 1920 -- the same year the Black Sox scandal was unveiled -- the 30-year-old Borton was caught in a scheme trying to fix games, and booted from professional baseball.
C Babe Roof: 3.3 bWAR
The last MLB player with the nickname Babe was Phil Roof, who also had the grand nickname of the Duke of Paducah. Roof was a light-hitting catcher, putting up a .215/.283/.319 line in 2,151 career ABs... and yet he had a good enough glove to have a 15-year MLB career, retiring in 1977 at the age of 36. Babe Roof hit 43 home runs in his 15-year career... which means he averaged less than three a year.
P Babe Birrer: 0.9 bWAR
A pitcher in the 1950s, Werner Joseph Birrer posted a career 4.36 ERA and 1.387 WHIP in 119.2 career innings over three seasons. I can only imagine the disappointment of a little boy opening a pack of Bowman Cards and finding not a Mantle or a Mays but a Birrer. But for all that, Birrer did have one shining moment, and how he got the nickname Babe. On July 19, 1955, Birrer pitched four shutout innings in relief... and hit not one but two three-run home runs. A pitcher who hits home runs, naturally he was given the nickname Babe!
P Babe Meers: 0.9 bWAR
Russell Harlan Meers was a left-handed pitcher for the Cubs who pitched in one game in 1941 -- taking the loss despite giving up just one earned run and five hits in 8 innings -- and then of course World War II happened. He would spend 1942-1945 in the U.S. Navy. After the war he'd pitch another two seasons with the Cubs, then bounce around a few more years in the minors. In his MLB career, he went 3-3 with a 3.98 ERA and 1.482 WHIP. He threw hard, but had fantastically bad control... as a 20-year-old rookie in the Mountain State League in 1939, he walked 191 batters in 227 innings!
P Babe Linke: 0.9 bWAR
Edward Karl Linke posted a 5.61 ERA and 1.695 WHIP but somehow lasted six years in the bigs. Maybe he kept getting chances because he threw a no-hitter in the minors as a 20-year-old in 1932. Linke's career very nearly ended in 1935, when he was hit in the face by a line drive; it hit him so hard that it bounced off his forehead and went back to the catcher, who caught it on the fly and threw to second for a double play! Linke was hospitalized for two days, but returned to baseball (and would win eight of his nine decisions after that). Unfortunately we don't know why he was called Babe.
P Babe Doty: 0.5 bWAR
The original Babe according to baseball-reference.com, Elmer L. Doty was born in 1867. He had just one MLB appearance, but it was a pretty good one -- a complete game win for the Toledo Maumees, allowing just one run and one walk while fanning four against the Brooklyn Bridgerooms. He would continue to pitch semi-pro and minor league ball for a few more years before becoming a woodworker. Alas, he may be the original Babe, but we don't know why they called him that; quite possibly it was because he was just 22 years old when he made his debut.
OF Babe Ganzel: 0.4 bWAR
He was born Foster Pirie Ganzel, so I understand why he wanted a nickname, but I don't know why it was Babe. He had two brief stints in the majors, hitting .311/.378/.473 in 74 career ABs; but the outfielder had a long minor league career, beginning as a 21-year-old in 1922 and ending as a 41-year-old in 1942. He was later a minor league manager; one time in response to criticism from fans that he never told his players to bunt, he ordered his first nine batters to do so. All nine reached base safely. I guess the fans were right!
OF Babe Twombly: 0.3 bWAR
Clarence Edward Twombly played two years for the Chicago Cubs, 1920-1921, hitting .304/.357./366 in 358 career ABs. We can speculate he got the nickname Babe because he was the baby brother to another major leaguer, George, who played five seasons between 1914 and 1919 (hitting .211/.289/.247 in 417 ABs). Interestingly enough, big brother George was playing for the minor league Baltimore Orioles in 1914 when he was stricken by appendicitis, and he was replaced in the lineup by a baby-faced rookie named... Babe Ruth. Later that year, the Reds were given the opportunity to purchase two players from the Orioles roster; instead of Ruth, they took George Twombly and a former major league infielder named Claud Derrick. Later that year, the Red Sox were given the same deal and they took Ruth and Ernie Shore.
C Babe Wilber: 0.2 bWAR
If not for World War 2, maybe Delbert Quentin Wilber would have been higher on this list. As an infant, his mother called him "Babe" and it stuck. Wilber made his minor league debut as a 19-year-old catcher in the St. Louis Browns system in 1938, hitting .304 with a .490 SLG in 398 ABs, and he'd follow that up hitting .308 with a .472 SLG in 435 ABs in 1940. But three months after Pearl Harbor, Wilber found himself at the Jefferson Barracks Army Air Force Base in Missouri. He entered the war as a private and left it as a captain, spending most of that time on military bases as a playemanager for baseball teams often loaded with MLB stars. He would finally reach the Show as a 27-year-old in 1946, getting a cup of coffee with the St. Louis Cardinals. Over his eight-year career, Wilber would hit .242/.286/.389 in 720 ABs.
P Babe Davis: 0.2 bWAR
Born in 1913 -- one month after the inauguration of the 28th president -- Woodrow Wilson Davis pitched in just two MLB games, giving up one run on three hits (but four walks) for the Detroit Tigers in 1938. He did have seven years in the minors, going 50-55 in 190 games across six different leagues, but like many others on this list his professional baseball career was derailed by World War II, serving in the U.S. Navy. I can't find a source for the nickname Babe, but he obviously liked the nickname -- after baseball, he founded "Babe's Mighty Mites," a baseball and softball youth program in Wayne County, Georgia.
C Babe Towne: 0.1 bWAR
A catcher for 14 games for the Chicago White Sox in 1906, Jay King Towne went 10-for-36 with seven walks (.395 OBP) and had a pinch-hit appearance in the 1906 World Series, but apparently that wasn't good enough to bring him back to the bigs the following season. He had a long minor league career, though, starting as a 22-year-old catcher for the Rock Rapids Browns in the Iowa-South Dakota League in 1902 and ending as a 36-year-old playemanager of the Fort Dodge Dodgers in the Central Association in 1916. In 1911, he hit .366 for the Sioux City Packers of the Western League! Like many others, I can't find the origin of the nickname Babe, but he had it years before Ruth did.
1B Babe Danzig: 0.0 bWAR
Harold Paul Danzig went 2-for-13 in his only MLB season, in 1909 with the Boston Red Sox. Danzig would spend a total of nine years in professional baseball, playing in the Pacific Coast League, the New England League (hitting .345 for Lowell Tigers in 232 AB), the Southern Association, and the Empire State League. Danzig -- born eight years before Ruth, and making his MLB debut while Ruth was a 14-year-old boy at St. Mary's School for Boys -- reportedly picked up the nickname Babe because of his large size as a youth, in reference to Paul Bunyan's blue ox!
OF Babe Klee: 0.0 bWAR
Ollie Chester Klee appeared in just three MLB games, all with the Cincinnati Reds in 1925. On August 10th, he replaced future Hall of Famer Edd Roush in center field in the 7th inning of a 10-6 game against the Brooklyn Robins; he would then lead off against Dazzy Vance in the 9th, and strike out. (Vance would strike out the side, going the distance in the 13-7 victory.) On August 14 and August 26, the 25-year-old got into games as a pinch runner, but didn't get to bat or field... or even advance a base. Klee had been a star halfback at the Ohio State University and later was a high school football coach. Unfortunately, we don't know when or why he picked up the nickname Babe.
OF Babe Bigelow: -0.2 bWAR
Maybe the Boston Red Sox thought they'd reversed the curse in 1929 when they signed a left-handed power hitter nicknamed Babe. Elliot Allardice Bigelow had been a minor league sensation, tearing up the Florida State League, the South Atlantic League, and the Southern Association. Between 1924 and 1928, his lowest batting average was .349. Supposedly the right-field fence in Chattanooga was so deep that only three balls had ever been hit over it... two of them by Bigelow. Of course if he'd played today, they'd call him Bam-Bam, but in 1926, you call a guy like that Babe. In Boston, the 31-year-old rookie would hit a respectable .284 with a .357 OBP, but only one home run in 211 ABs. In addition to his lack of power, his other problem was, in those pre-DH days, Bigelow was just too slow and awkward to play the field. After one season in the Show, he returned to the minors to terrorize the pitchers of the Southern Association. In 12 seasons in the minors -- 1,473 games -- Bigelow hit .349!
P Babe Sherman: -0.2 bWAR
Lester Daniel Sherman had twice as many nicknames -- Babe or General -- as he did games played. He pitched in just one game, facing three batters -- getting one out and walking two -- as a 23-year-old pitcher for Chicago in the Federal League in 1914. He would pitch sporadically in the minors after that, going 10-15 in 44 games. Maybe they called him Babe because of his youth, or his size -- he was listed at 5'6" and 145 pounds.
P Babe Picone: -0.3 bWAR
Another guy who we don't know where the nickname came from. Mario Peter Picone played pro ball for 13 seasons, but had only 40 innings in the bigs, scattered between 1947 and 1954. The righty went 0-2 with a 6.30 ERA and 1.700 WHIP in three starts and 10 relief appearances.
1B Babe Butka: -0.4 bWAR
A war-time replacement, Edward Luke Butka hit just .220 in 50 ABs between 1943 and 1944. He got the nickname Babe as a teenager playing semi-pro baseball in Pennsylvania in the 1930s because of his impressive home run power. Butka, the son of Polish immigrants, wanted to fight in World War II but was ruled 4-F because of a punctured ear drum; he tried to enlist more than once, but was always turned away. After the veteran players returned from the war, Butka kicked around the minors for awhile and later became a player-manager.
OF Babe Martin: -0.6 bWAR
Boris Michael Martinovich was born in 1920, the son of a Montenegro-born professional wrestler known as Iron Mike Martin. The youngest of five children, Boris was called Baby for years, and the nickname stuck; when he grew into a man, it soon became the more baseball-friendly nickname of Babe. He spent most of his professional career in the minors, though he did get 185 at-bats with the St. Louis Browns in 1945, hitting .200/.245/.281. In Double-A in 1944, he hit .350/.418/.580 in 386 AB, and in Triple-A in 1947 he hit .319/.383/.555.
OF Babe Barna: -0.7 bWAR
Herbert Paul Barna was a three-sport star at West Virginia University in the 1930s, excelling in football, basketball, and baseball; the Philadelphia Eagles wanted him, but instead he signed with the Philadelphia Athletics. West Virginia University also was where he got the nickname Babe, presumably because of his size (6'2", 210 pounds) and because he was a left-handed power hitter. The outfielder may have had a better career in the NFL, as he hit .232/.311/.346 in five MLB seasons.
UT Babe Ellison: -0.9 bWAR
Herbert Spencer Ellison would hit .216/.282/.284 in 348 AB between 1916 and 1920; despite his poor hitting, he was a useful utility man, seeing time at every position except pitcher and catcher! After a standout freshman year for the University of Arkansas baseball team, at the age of 18 he turned pro, playing for the Clinton Pilots in the Central Association. We can speculate he got the name Babe because he was so very young. A year later he would make his MLB debut with the Detroit Tigers, where he'd play his entire five-year MLB career. After that, he would be a star in the Pacific Coast League; he and Babe Pinelli were teammates on the 1927 San Francisco Seals. It's possible he was known as Babe before that other Babe was too widely known; we can speculate he got the nickname because he was so young when he turned pro.
OF Babe Nelson: -1.0 bWAR
Another big left-handed outfielder, Robert Sidney Nelson hit just .205/.295/.254 in 122 AB with the Baltimore Orioles between 1955 and 1957. He got the nickname Babe because of his prodigious power in high school -- he was known as "The Babe Ruth of Texas." After he joined the Orioles, he was given another nickname -- Tex -- by his roommate, future Hall of Famer Brooks Robinson. Nelson was pretty much on the bench for three years, then went to the minors where he had some good seasons, but some bad ones too. He was out of baseball in 1961, at the age of 24. He would never hit a home run in the bigs, but he did have 75 of them in the minors.
And finally... Who had more bWAR, Babe Ruth, or the 30 other Babes combined?
Babe Ruth: 182.4 bWAR 30 Other Babes: 149.5 bWAR
The King of Crash also is the King of Babes!
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Letter from Michael Gira: Swans Are Dead, The Somniloquist, Angels of Light... 11/1/1997

(This letter first appeared on the Swans Web site.)
The double live CD of our last two tours is finally coming out in early January
As you might know , it's called SWANS ARE DEAD . I'm quite pleased with it . Most of the selections we ended up using were recorded on various mobile 24 track recording units along the way . I took these finished (and pre-mixed) recordings and synced them in a computer at Griffin Mastering here in Atlanta with one-mic-in-the-room DAT recordings of the same performances . The room recordings were necessarily very raw (just a dat player with a mic attached to it sitting at the mixing desk) compared to the 24 track recordings , but the two methods combined , I think , conveys the physical sensation of what it must have been like to be there ,especially when played loud , which in this case I recommend . In any event , I think its a fine last offering , and I hope you gain some pleasure from it if you choose to acquire it .
The 1997 CD opens with the 17 minute "song" Feel Happiness ,which I wrote as a farewell to the various friends and enemies who have taken note of our existence over the years . Musically , it consciously incorporates many of the different approaches to sound that Swans employed through its history, from the hard-ass percussive thudding , to the rising crescendos (this time with a specific homage-section to Glenn Branca) , to militant , monotonal overdrive , to a more atmospheric , melodic ending in which I hopefully convey ,albeit with regrettable ambivalence , my heartfelt best wishes .
...If you saw the final tour you probably noticed that though we did several songs from earlier years very few had too much to do with the originals , except maybe in the basic chord structure - The second song in the set is/was Low Life Form which we took from my solo album , Drainland , and completely rearranged. In its original form it consisted of one chord (the same "staircase" fingering I used to use all the time when I initially played bass in Swans , just moving that finger-positioning up or down the neck depending on the song) played on an acoustic 12 string guitar, played over and over , sustaining ,along with a tuned-down bass drum that Bill Rieflin triggered by hand on a keyboard , some crows recorded in our back yard in Atlanta (Jarboe's Murder ) , and a distorted organ , as well as me croaking my lyrics . Live , to my pleasant surprise , we ended up transforming it into a churning rhythmic invective which suited the words properly for live performance (the words are a sexual revenge fantasy/prayer) . Phil Puleo developed , despite my early hamfisted rhythm suggestions , a seductively violent , , loping , and swelling marshal snare figure that built on itself in increasing fury as the song progressed , maintaining a thrusting , sexy/bluesy down-beat (the same as Howlin' Wolf's Evil ),which I admit , in shame , forced me to secretely fuck the back of my guitar as I sang the song on more than one occasion - (at my age , how degrading).Bill Bronson married his single-chord bass part exactly to the impact of the snare as the song built , which is why (as in much of the set) his back was to the audience - not out of disdain but because of a need for total connection and eye-contact with Phil .(This is the same reason that at times during the concert the entire band was turned facing the drummer - for total conncetion with the rhythm, especially important in the unison sections or when I had to guide the "random" rhythm elements with body movements ... again,not out of arrogance or disdain for the audience , as a few reviewers assumed and many audience members commented after shows ). Jarboe's organ part consisted of an E note drone , until the end of the lyric , where she enters with a fine , psychotic corrupted-Farfiza-like melody line . Clint and I limmited our guitars to single E notes as well , until the end of the song , when we played various voicings of the aforementioned staircase chord in staccato (but sustaining) rhythm against the bass and drums . I think this song worked fine , except as usual I'm a little queesy about my vocal , which to me sounds like a drunk and malevolent clown-huckster at a cheesy carnival set up in the parking lot of a shopping mall ,maybe in Covina California on a hot , smoggy afternoon ....
The next song was Not Alone , another thing I wrote just for the tour . It was written on acoustic 12 string guitar , and was initially quiet ,sort of bluesy. Inevitably , it developed live into a 15 minute mutation , and ended up by about 5 or 6 minutes in being quite viloent , and was a real joy to play . We orchestrated these erupting swells into the end-section , which were cued or guided by the movements of my body . I liked this section especially because the sound was so connected to the physical limits of our ability to play it ,throwing our entire strength (individually and collectively) into each swell . If I'd had my way I would have used horns for this section too , i.e. trombones and trumpets , but obvious financial constraints limitted us . As the tour developed , this piece mutated further . By the end we were using police whistles (generously lent us by Panasonic), and we even tried to incorporate Mika and Ilpo from Pan. letting loose these air-horns we bought somewhere in Norway . These are the kind of horns you hear at football matches etc , or like boat horns . We only did this for one show though , because it sounded ridiculous - comical , due to the fact there is no variance in tone on the horn and I also hate sports ! We then thought it would be a good idea to have sirens wailing in this section , but we were never able to find time while on tour to do the searching necessary to buy a contraption like that , so we made due .The piece ends with Phil pounding randomly on his kettle drum , with long gaps of silence between each strike ... Incidentally , the lyrics to this song grew out of this fantasy I developed while staring at a reproduction of Marcel Duchamp's Etant Donnes ,which I find to be incredibly erotic . The first product of this was the story MTV And The Cult Of The Body(which you can find elsewhere on this site , if you're interested ) . The song Not Alone is written from the point of view of the predator-protagonist ,when he finds the opalescent body in the reeds . Another song I wrote thinking about this scene is called The Garden Hides The Jewel , which is among the songs I'm going to start recording in Jan . for my new as yet untitled "band" (ANGELS OF LIGHT). Not Alone will also appear , in acoustic form. ...
Next , Jarboe sings Blood On Your Hands , a-capella . This song first appeared on the Skin/World of Skin album Blood,Women ,and Roses . I always regretted not recording this a capella (on the WOS CD it's gussied up with background vocals and percussion ) , as to me it fits her voice perfectly, and she's so damn deep into it that it lights a fire in my groin every time I hear her sing it. I wrote it for her, as a sort of idealized icon embodying the aspects in her I most revered at the time : The bloody , vengeful and murderous mother , who is also simultaneously nurturing and healing , through blood and suffering . I love women! ...
Next up she sings Hypogirl . This is fairly faithful in form to the version on Soundtracks For The Blind , but the instrumentation is much heavier due to the live drums/bass/two guitars accompaniment . Also I play an organ chord ,brought up in rhythm with the swells with a volume pedal - (we tape down the keys so they're always playing,the foot pedal brings the sound in and out..).Jarboe really occupies this vocal , a performance I find both elating and discomfiting , as it's about a lover crawling into the mouth of his/her lover and traveling up into the brain ,consuming the lover's consciousness from this expanding nest , inside-out... I love sex! ...
Jarboe's final song is I Crawled , a piece we entirely rennovated , that was first recorded on the Young God (i.e. Raping a Slave) ep in 1984 previous to her involvement in Swans . But she was in the studio ( near Zurich ) when we recorded it , and I remember her being just outside the booth as I sang the song . I also remember the recording of that song as being one of the most magical events in the entire 15 years of the Swans history , so it seemed appropriate to do it again on our farewell tour . But there was no way I could envision myself singing it with any semblance of authenticity after all these years , so the most interesting thing to do seemed to have Jarboe sing it ,reinterpreting it entirely so that it became something new and immediate. Bill Bronson essentially plays what was Norman Westberg's guitar line on his bass in this new version , and the whole re-arrangement was built around that . We set up a keyboard drone ( a sample of a drone Clint made on guitar ) as a background core to hold together the very open rhymic figures that the rest of us then played around the bass and vocal , cutting in and out in response to J's performance.This was often really transporting to play live because it was so open that there was alot of room for expression within the groove . And Jarboe's vocal was , to me anyway , astounding , moving as she did from a little-victimized-girl cooing ("You're my father,I obey you...") to seductive come-ons , to demented cackles , and finally to her sub-bass Satan chant ("Now Ride!") . Some people thought we harmonized her vocal down an octave on a processor , but nope ,it was all real , that's just her in full ultrafeminine splendor... she says she sang in that "style" at the end of the song as an homage to the original and my throttled performance in it...The lyric to I Crawled , by the way , was initially inspired by reading a boofk called The Mass Psychology Of Fascism , by Willhelm Reich . In it he compares the phenomenon of Hitler to Stalin and vice versa , pointing out (among many more complex issues ) their strong Father image , their obsession with a strong family unit as a microcosm for the State and their harkening back to a pure idealized past , now corrupted and in need of a good cleansing purge (this is an incredible simplistic synopsis,I know) . What interested me about this was the contemporary fact of Ronald Regan's recent election , and his eerie usage of the same techniques . The most horrifying aspect of this techinique for control is , to me , the concept of implanting or germinating the need for subservience in the psyche of the individual (modern media advertising has triumphed in this respect nowadays) . I had also just recently read a collection of stories (or was it just a story in Hello America - I can't remember now) by JG Ballard called Why I Want To Fuck Ronald Regan , and all the above conjoined with my increasingly intolerable life's still-accumulating history of working one cruddy job after another ,humiliated (in my eyes) by one petty Stalin boss after another , and I just couldn't help but eroticize the whole process ,so that the character is essentially pleading to his /her father to be fucked , strangled , wiped out...So anyway , I thought it was a nice nuance to add to the meaning of the song to have Jarboe singing it , a woman this time , to the Father...
Now I return , with I Am The Sun , another song about the power and joy one feels when they realize the evil inside them is big enough to infect the entire world . This was originally recorded on The Great Annihilator . I like the recorded version , but never thought I'd achieved the rawness or immediacy it could have had (my fault,as producer,of course) , so live I decided to strip it down , and it metamorphized weirdly into something between rockabilly and country blues . The end result? Slim Harpo meets Swans . Phils' drumming functions as a cattle prod on this song . My vocal unfortunately stays pretty much on one note due to the fact this was recorded at the end of a 3 month tour and my "range" was shrunk down even further from its usual feeble scope , but still I think the song emotes pretty effectively .
The last song is Blood Promise . Again , this was changed into something that bore little resemblance to the original (on Grt Annltr) except the words . Though it's in the same key as the original , the chord structure is changed , and my singing has nothing to do with the way I originally delivered it . Also , we added a long transitional section and an orgiastic crescendo section at the end . All this developed organically in rehearsals , as we tried to figure out how to approach the material with commitment and vitality , qualities I don't think would have been achieved if we'd just tried to copy the way it initially sounded on record . So it kept changing throughout the tour as well - growing , transmuting , gaining new texture and dynamics . By the end of the tour (when this version was recorded) I felt it was one of the most rewarding pieces of music Swans ever achieved . A few regrets : though I think this was an excellent performance of the song , the next night's performance was the absolute best moment I think we ever acieved live , but of course the actual recording of it sounds like shit , and there was a moment during my vocal where I literally went insane , started screaming from a horrible place inside me I didn't know existed .Sinse the section of the song where I sing vocals is relatively subdued , I suppose it was fairly dramatic . But naturally - why I don't know - on the tape you can barely hear the vocal , squeeking in the backround . Seems to be the way things always go . Anyway , as I said , the version on the CD is an excellent performance - I just naturally rue the loss of something that could have been better . The other regret is that we didn't get a chance to record this arrangement in a proper studio . Just no money, and Swans is over ,so I guess the best thing is just to let it go...It's very sad for me to hear this piece of music , but that's it : GONE ....
Well, so much for the 1997 CD . The second CD of the package is our 1995 tour , which I think was just as good , but frankly I don't have the time or energy to write about it at any length , so here's a list of the songs on it : Final Sac...The Sound...I See Them All Lined Up...Lavender...Yr Prop...Yum Yab Killers...Helpless Child..M/F...The sound quality on all the above recording is , I believe , truly excellent , so I hope , for those of you that care , that this serves as a worthy final document ...
NEWS: The Somniloquist , a collection of my stories , narrated by me , will be out simultaneously with Swans Are Dead in January . This is very limited - 2000 worldwide . Most of it is from a live spoken word show I did in Seattle , recorded onto Dat by Bill Rieflin . One story is recorded in studio . You can bet that my winning personality shines right through .
MORE NEWS: I finally completed the Body Lovers first installment recently (there will be three over a period of 18 months - 24 months ) . It came out much different , and in the end better than I'd expected .When I first went into it I thought I'd be using alot of "dub" type treatments of the instruments and found sounds , but as I began recording , I became enamored with the natural-sounding instruments , more and more . There are several instances where I use electronics/feedback etc , and sometimes those are happily violent and agressive , but as I say , I grew to concentrate more on the acoustic instrumentation a little more than I'd first thought ...Some of the instruments used: accordion , flugelhorn , trombone , acoustic guitar, gongs , bells , tubes , harmonica , viola , vocal , celtic harp , piano , hammer dulcimer , whistles , flutes , musical saw ... as well as electric guitars , electric bass , ebo , drums , kettle drum , loops , screaming insects , and a myriad of found sounds etc etc . I also incorporated sounds/textures I'd solicited from the Finlandic electronic ensemble Panasonic , and the Norwegian Organic Ambient-Brut outfits Origami and Deathprod . Essentially the album is one long train of sound that shifts from electronics to acoustics to harshness to delicate moments etc etc . As I've mentioned before this takes off where Soundtracks for the Blind left off . I think the recording quality of this album is probably better though , in the sense that it never sounds artificial or "canned" , something I think Soundtracks suffers from on occassion . All of these various pieces/moods/textures were mangled , re-arranged , cross-faded , and further overlayed in a computer at Griffin mastering here in Atlanta once again , and though there's only one moment of vocals with accompanying words in the entire 73:30 minute program , I think it manages , to paraphrase my idol Francis Bacon , to aggravate the nervous system ... I admit that since completing it I constantly torture myself by listening to it at. an exceedingly loud volume all-the-way-through ... to me, it's a world to escape into , and I hope you'll find pleasure in it if and when you hear it too... Incidentally , the artwork for Body Lovers (for the entire series of three CDs) is by Nicole Boitos , a young Philadelphia artist . Over the last few years she's sent Jarboe and I several drawings and prints , all of very high caliber . I was personally struck by one drawing she sent of a horse's ass , executed in the High-Renaissance style that Michelangelo or Leonardo might have used as a cartoon-study ,using sepia tones and white and black pencils . This got my imagination to wandering , so I asked her to do a pig's-head for the cover , and so now she's doing a series of images that will be on the front , back, and inside covers of all the Body Lovers releases . The iconic images are all of various body parts , human and otherwise , and also the implements that might do violence to them ... Nicole , heroically , even went out and bought a pig's head from a butcher , which she stored in her freezer , to do the drawing for the cover . Bravo , young lady ! We'll put this drawing on the site soon , just to tantalize your tastebuds ... Also look out for The Body Haters . This will be a limited edition of 1000 , hand assembled by me and signed and will be comprised of material not used on Body Lovers . The sounds are cruder , uglier , but maybe a bit more sensual in that they sound like what it must feel like to have your stripped , skinless vertebrae scraped with a rusty razor . Mmmmm....
IN ADDITION: I want to take this opportunity to chastize the snivellers among you that are complaining about the fact we're cutting out some music from our re-release series in order to facillitate the streamlining / repackaging of our work . Quit whining , you ninnies . You already have the material , otherwise you wouldn't miss it . We have to make certain decisions in order to assure that what we (it's our work , for which we suffered , not you) deem the most valuable music stays available , on into the future . We absolutely cannot afford to keep everything in print - and no store would consent to stock all of the music we've released over the years (there's too much) - so we've had to be rigorous , editing out the stuff we don't think is essential . Our desire is to keep in-print the music of which we are the most proud . The entire reason for which we (not you) are risking our necks in doing this whole extremely expensive re-issue series , against all odds and in the face of generally total indifference , is that we want the curious music-afficionado , the person that cares about getting a real experience out of the music they listen to , to be able to get a grasp of the work we've done in a clear , concise , chronologically delineated format . This is our (admittedly vain) desire not to disappear , which could very easily happen , if we don't carefully manage the music we've created over the years . This is why I first came up with the concept of the dbl cd re-issues - to make an easily accesible overview of the 15 years of Swans existence . I admit that it's also a way for me to edit out the music that I think is not as good as it should have been . But why shouldn't I do that ? After all , it's my work , I'm still vital , and so I still have the prerogative to choose what I want to continue to exist ... Enough , children !!!!!
Now, regarding the abovementioned , the next re-release/compilation dbl CD will be called Various Failures , and it will cover the years 1988 - 1993 . In it we will include the material we think best deserves surviving from the following releases: Love Will tear Us Apart , The Burning World , White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity , The World Of Skin (10 Songs) , and Love of Life . It will also include various unreleased tracks and b-sides etc . Personally , I'm very excited about this release , because it will finally allow me to set a period of our historty in a really strong light . I think this period for us , was extremely interesting musically , but never got the chance it deserved in the public / critical eye , due to the fact that the preconceptions attached to the Swans name were so strong (among the people that knew about us) that they clouded the ability , in my view , of listening to the music for its own sake , unencumbered by the usual list of gory adjectives normally ascribed to Swans . Then again , there were some weak moments in this period , which I am now happy to flush down the toilette . If you don't agree with my choices for exclusion , well , sorry , but I have to make the decision as to what stays in-print and what doesn't , just to ensure that something survives . In any event , I am very much looking forward to this release , just because I want to hear it myself ! This release will be out in March/February ,in case you're interested ....
OTHER NEWS : I'm going to try to get up to Chicago before the end of the year to compile/edit etc the history-of-Swans video , so that it can come out soon after Swans Are Dead .There's alot of material to sift through , even before I go up there to edit , so I'm not really sure I'll have time , as I trying to keep writing new songs for the upcoming as-yet-untitled new "band" I'm doing , for which we begin recording in early January .This project was going to be called Pleasure Seekers , but we had to abandon it due to the name's prior use , as it turns out , by one Ms. Suzy Quatro . She sent us a gracious letter explaining her reasons for not wanting to give up the name , and I see her point perfectly well , so good luck to her ... Anyway back to the video - if not completed before Jan I won't be able to get to it until March when I'll finish recording , so it'll be out soon thereafter at the latest ...Back to the upcoming recording : Musicians slated to participate so far : Bill Rieflin (he'll play a wide variety of instruments ) , Kristof Hahn ( Guitars ) , Phil Puleo ( percussion , dulcimer , bells etc ) , Clint Steele ( guitars - we're also recording at Clint's studio in Atlanta , Ethel Sound ) , Jarboe might contribute some organ - but we have to be careful as we don't want another intense working (knife-fight) relationship , Steve Van Til ( guitars , percussion ) , and Kris Force ( violin , viola ) . Also I'm going to get a wide variety of local musicians into the studio to play such items as Banjo , mandolin , oboe , flute , trumpet , accordion , etc - instruments that will be used as a special detail on various songs .....
What Else? Jarboe will be posting a letter on this site soon , detailing her numerous new projects etc ... ...Sorry about the delay between the release of COG/WOS and the upcoming stuff in Jan . This was due to the usual financial and hence logistical setbacks , but things should be back on track now , with a release about every three months...
People ask what music I'm listening to these days , so here's a brief list : Oval (94diskont.) , Windsor For The Derby - Minnie Greutzfeld (I still want to do an album with them for Young God ) , Incredible String Band (I can't get enough of them!) - Hangman's Beautiful Daughter , Low - Songs For A Dead Pilot ( this band continues to make me weep ) , Autechre - Cichlisuite mechanically reclaimed etc , The High Llamas - Hawaii ( Tremendous! The guy Noel from Bunnyhop Mag sold me on them , and I couldn't be more pleased , as I love the Beach Boys circa Pet Sounds and Smiley Smile . Normally I hate it when some British group latches onto the sound of a past group and repackages it , but in this case the music is so inventive and extends the approach so much further and in interesting ways , that I respond , because it seems convincing ) , Bernard Herrmann ' s music for Vertigo ( by the way , speaking of soundtracks , does anybody know how to find the music for the Shining ? ) , Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers (Sister Morphine , Moonlight Mile ) , Tom Waits - Frank's Wild Years , Small Change , Black Rider , Hal Willner's production of Burroughs' Dead City Radio (Hal Willner is one of the few producers , if I were ever in the position again - which is unlikely - that I would ever be interested in working with . His orchestrations are usually perfect for the material he chooses , and the sound is always filmic , evocative ... The other producer would be Flood - but fugeddabowdit $$$$ ) , Nick Drake , as always .... Aphex Twin - Richard James album ( at first I was turned off by the sped-up Mickey Mouse-like sound , but it grew on me...incidentally , I saw a video for "Come To Daddy" - really great and so was the piece - can't say "song" in theis case ) .... Oh yeah , one last thing , I wrote a new short story this summer called New Mother . In case you're interested , it's elsewhere on this site ... Adios , thanks for your time . MG
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My Gambling story. Day 1 Off

Hello;
I guess im writing this as some what of a self therapy as I dont know who else to talk to but this is the start of one of my many countless attempts to give up gambling.

I first started on sports betting when I was about 14/15, signing up for online bookmakers using my older sisters details. It started off harmless enough betting £5 a week or so on a football accumulator but this quickly turned into a daily habbit and quickly the stakes rose aswell. I still remember the first ever time I lost £100 in one day, at the time it felt like the worst thing to ever happen to me but since then ive lost 4 figures countless numbers of times! This got worse year on year and when I turned 18 I was let loose could sign up with my own details and since then ive been losing thousands of pounds every year. I am now 24 and have about 5k worth of debt and a totally ruined credit score. Aswell as the money lost though ive also dropped out of university twice and attribute most of this to the fact that I stayed up all night betting on basketball etc instead of getting to sleep for my classes the next day or doing any actual useful work.

More recently the toughest issue I have with giving it up is that I cant face life without it, I dont get the same enjoyment out of things unless ive got a bet on. I struggle to focus on day to day life and constantly struggle with money but I just cant resist it. Im now back at university and dont want to fuck it up this time.
My friends and girlfriend are both aware of my addiction but arent aware that its an on going problem. My family are unaware of it.


Does anyone have any advice?
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My Gambling story. Day 1 off it

Hello;
I guess im writing this as some what of a self therapy as I dont know who else to talk to but this is the start of one of my many countless attempts to give up gambling.
I first started on sports betting when I was about 14/15, signing up for online bookmakers using my older sisters details. It started off harmless enough betting £5 a week or so on a football accumulator but this quickly turned into a daily habbit and quickly the stakes rose aswell. I still remember the first ever time I lost £100 in one day, at the time it felt like the worst thing to ever happen to me but since then ive lost 4 figures countless numbers of times! This got worse year on year and when I turned 18 I was let loose could sign up with my own details and since then ive been losing thousands of pounds every year. I am now 24 and have about 5k worth of debt and a totally ruined credit score. Aswell as the money lost though ive also dropped out of university twice and attribute most of this to the fact that I stayed up all night betting on basketball etc instead of getting to sleep for my classes the next day or doing any actual useful work.
More recently the toughest issue I have with giving it up is that I cant face life without it, I dont get the same enjoyment out of things unless ive got a bet on. I struggle to focus on day to day life and constantly struggle with money but I just cant resist it. Im now back at university and dont want to fuck it up this time.
My friends and girlfriend are both aware of my addiction but arent aware that its an on going problem. My family are unaware of it.
Does anyone have any advice on how to stay away from it? Ive tried countless times to give it up, ive self excluded all my account but I just keep finding ways to bet.
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Betting Sites › Best Online Betting Sites in India (Feb 2020)

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Betfred is a British bookmaker. They offer their administrations for India also. Betting power licenses them. The Betfred Empire starts working in 1967. They are offering a noteworthy edge on football wagering. You can either utilize their versatile application or site to make the most of their administrations.
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It is an European based wagering stage which acknowledges the clients of India also. It is one of the perceived brands in odd markets. They are covering numerous games like rugby, soccer, cricket, tennis, horse dashing golf, boxing cycling and numerous others. You can make the most of their liberal invite offers.
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As an ever increasing number of wagering locales are beginning to focus on the imperative Indian market, it is turning into somewhat hard for players to choose which spot is most appropriate for them. One of the most common issues is by all accounts how to get to these sites
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27-MELBet
Our consideration is currently redirected to the focal point of the screen where we see an advancement slider. It is where Unibet features all the present advancements that they are running. They are very brave advancements going on, which we will investigate later. One thing we notice is that all the costs are named in euros.
Beside the live wagering segment, we notice a catch named "supertoto'", and we choose to look at it. It ends up being another uncommon capacity, which is truly remarkable when contrasted with Unibet. Supertoto is a basic method to put down a wager on sports. The objective is to wagered on the result of whatever number matches as could be expected under the circumstances. You can wager on a success, lose or draw.
28-Matchbook
Matchbook offers a total sportsbook with in excess of 40 distinct games classifications to bet on, including cricket, football, tennis, horse dashing and practically all the famous games, just as e-sports, expert wrestling and different less normal games. You have a decision of live wagering on each live match that is occurring right now, and numerous competitions can even be live-spilled with liberated from cost office. The main standard is that you include put down a wager inside the most recent 24 hours. That gives you full access to the live spilling capacity.
29-Betfair
Betfair is one of the world's biggest global online games wagering specialist co-ops. Betfair has more than 2,000 utilizes around the world. Betfair holds betting permit in Malta, Gibraltar Italy, Tasmania and the United States. Betfair is promising in conveying exclusive expectations of respectability and has ensured more than 40 Memoranda of Understanding with the administering groups of sports.
Betfair is the most significant wagering bookmaker on the planet, offering a wide scope of wagering items including exotics wagering markets and extraordinary games, huge poker networks, arcade games and a gambling club.
30-Dafabet
Something that make Dafabet one of a kind is that they were made to serve the Asian market. All things considered, we can see that they are doing a great deal to interest Asian players, and particularly Indian players. For instance, we realize that they acknowledge Indian cash stores. They additionally offer loads of well known Indian games, for example, cricket, tennis and kabaddi. As an Indian player, it is pleasant to feel like you are esteemed as a client. There is likewise a lot of European games and well known Asian games and gambling club games accessible.
31-Rizk
It is an energizing and one of a kind internet betting webpage having a place with the European island naming Malta. The site is special it might be said that it depends on a superhuman topic which is an uncommon thing we have seen on some other wagering site previously. This current bookmaker's appeal is a hero naming Captain Rizk, and his topic can be discovered everywhere throughout the site.
32-Meridian BET
Meridian Bet is a main worldwide supplier of on the web and land-based games wagering arrangements with 700+ wagering shops in 35 nations around four landmasses? Their most noteworthy accomplishment is the steady income development pace of 20% over the most recent three years. They likewise offer an every minute of every day client assistance by means of live talk, telephone, email or informal community.
33-SBOBET
Inside an incredibly solemn methodology towards security and visitor administration, SBOBET is a main web based gaming brand. They have won the Asian Operator of the year grant for 2009-10. SBOBET offers you a quick and secure player condition with prompt winning outcomes, fast installments and simple access to nonstop web based wagering.
34-Winamax
This webpage is among the world's biggest online poker rooms and sports wagering destinations offering phenomenal chances to its players. Its immense number of enlisted genuine cash players has surpassed 3,000,000. This site gives dependable gaming instruments to make poker protected and a good time for the players.
35-5DIMES
This site is known to be the highest quality level in internet gaming. It offers on the web and via telephone wagers for open parlays. Owning the business for over 15 years adds to unwavering quality. This site gives the player's cashback rewards, diminished juice wagers, free play remunerates and significantly more.
36-ADJARABET
Situated in Georgia, this organization is the main site in the nation. Players can play gambling club games on the web or entertain themselves with sports wagering at this bookmaker website.
37-Planetwin365
Planetwin365 is Europe's quickest developing wagering and gaming administrators. This site is working with a large number of subsidiary accomplices over the world. More than one million wagers are handled day by day, and it additionally supplies in excess of 1300 retail outlets. The brand planetwin 365 is claimed by the SKS365 gathering of organizations which holds online licenses alongside land-based licenses from seven nations in Europe.
38-Red Sport
Red game is a worldwide games betting organization. It started to include in sports sponsorship in 2010. This organization is among the first non-US online games wagering organizations working in the United States. It is additionally an individual from ESSA, which is the European wagering uprightness body.
39-Cloud wager
Cloud wager directs the wagering business through a chain of authorized shops that are situated in Ireland and the UK. It offers online games wagering, online club and poker, online bingo and numerous other web based games.
40-POKER SPORTS
Once in the past known as Party Bets, is presently possessed by one of the biggest poker locales on the net, Party Poker. Authorized from both Gibraltar and UK, the site offers a wide scope of sports and great client care. To stall out in, the site gives a broad scope of games. Customers are very much provided food for, and every single significant game occasions are secured. Football is the most mainstream and secured sport by a wide margin, as the site is an European confronting bookmaker.
41-SPORTSPESA
Sportspesa, a games news innovation, was established in 2014, offering web based games and lotteries. It is a games news innovation with around 500 workers and has put resources into the advancement of the nearby games groups and competitions in Tanzania and Kenya. It works in relationship with TGP in the UK.
42-NOVIBET
Claimed by Logflex MT constrained, NOVIBET.com is a completely enlisted web based betting site. Playing with Novibet isn't simply fun however is sheltered and secure on the grounds that it holds licenses from MGA, which make the site obliged to keep all customers assets in trust accounts. The site offers a dependable gaming strategy and is focused on limiting the unfavorable impacts of issue betting and is resolved to advance positive betting practices.
43-BETPAWA
Offering different sorts of bettings on numerous games from over the world, BETPAWA is the most present day and quick wagering site in Zambia. This site is a creative bookmaker that offers the most reduced value wagers. It leads a wide assortment of pre-coordinate and in-play wagers on football alongside different games like b-ball, tennis and so on. You can choose from an immense scope of wagers on the site and can likewise decide on live wagering.
44-MISLI
As a piece of Fold gadgets gaming and distributing, MISLI was established in 2009. This site is situated in Istanbul. MISLI is a participation based site which offers online games wagering and lotteries. This site offers wagers on an assortment of games, particularly supporting soccer. It likewise gives the clients to play the national lottery. This site as of now utilizes 36 innovations. MISLI.com has been positioned 12,027 among the worldwide sites dependent on the huge number of its month to month guests surpassing 4,115,485.
45-Sky BET
Sky wagering and gaming, a British based Canadian organization, has offered a wagering division as Sky Bet. It possesses 1,628 representatives and is evaluated sixth among the ten highest contenders. This organization is the world's driving internet gaming and wagering organization which has the most noteworthy number of clients than any other person. Lion's share of the tasks of Sky Bet are led from Leeds. They offer to wager through their site, phone or portable applications and so forth. AGCC licenses the organization. Sky Bet likewise had a TV channel on Sky Channel 864 which quit working on February 2012.
46-Bet SAFE
With regards to online club and wagering, and Bet Safe is a rumored name. This website is a bookmaker and online gambling club which was established in 2006 and is possessed by a notable Swedish organization. 400 fifty thousand clients profit the ideas from 100 distinct nations around the globe. The dependability and unwavering quality of the site are apparent by the tremendous number of clients it possesses. Wager Safe is an easy to understand site offering an enormous assortment of games and items. It gives an astounding client assistance program and its simple to store and pull back cash. This site gives its clients the best web based gaming experience.
47-1xBit
This site offer betting stage for Bitcoin and digital money was established in 2016. Wagers are offered day by day more than 1000 games. Live online club games and in excess of 3000 openings are likewise accessible. A selective element is that it gives its games too. All client accounts bolster numerous monetary forms, and it empowers the players to wager utilizing in excess of ten cryptographic forms of money. Clients are additionally offered an assortment of rewards. A 100% first store reward is the most extreme preferred position. A bug assists with multiplying and right away pull back the main store reserves. Client's perspectives recommend that their client care is dependable and accommodating. It is being seen as the best reserving site for crypto. It offers high chances to the players when contrasted with comparable sportsbooks.
48-Mozzart BET
Since 2000, Mozzart has been a specific piece of the gaming business. This organization offers around 10,000 chances day by day for around 500 games. As of late, Mozzart has led its ground activity with more than 900 retailer shops and has seen a high development rate in its online administrations. One ought to be over 18 to wager on the site Mozzartbet.com. BCLB has given the permit to the site. Live wagering on games is offered including football, ball, tennis and other critical occasions. You can observe live spilling of your preferred round and put down online wagers.
49-Boyle SPORT
Ireland biggest and free bookmaker is known as BoyleSports. They contribute in the online space by adding the top of the line applications to the google play store which offer web based wagering, club, gaming, wagering and lottery administrations. By 2004, they had 77 shops, and in 2006 they opened their 100th store.
50-BetChris
In 2019, BetChris declared to enter the United Kingdom retail advertise with the popular bookmaker Gilbert. The organization's activity was extended in Northern Ireland which made the nation Ireland's biggest retail bookmaker.
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